(08-17-2016, 03:09 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Is this based solely upon that we currently are in an experience of 7 densities or you have other reason for this?
To a great extent, it is due to what Ra said:
"16.51 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it to give us a little greater idea of the concept of this term when used by you?
Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely."
I think that certain numbers have sacred and eternal meaning. 7 is one of those numbers. 3 is another. But I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of other octaves having different amounts of densities, I just haven't seen anything that has really convinced me that might be the case.
(08-17-2016, 05:53 PM)sjel Wrote: anagogy, you say that you think that the octave represents the container for all potentiality, but why can't there be a bigger container?! really though im just stretching my own limiting idea of what infinity is. as John C Lilly said, "beliefs are limits to be transcended," so if we believe that the octave is the "biggest" there is, then that means we know there is something bigger!
Our octave could be part of a larger octave where we could be something like: the red ray sub-octave of say, for example, the green ray octave. This is a thought that I have often considered. It's possible that there are 7 octaves and when we reach the 8th octave we start back at the 1st octave. Or maybe that is within another even larger SUPER octave.
Frankly though, I just don't feel that this is true. One reason for that is that Ra has basically stated that in violet ray, where our mind/body/spirit/totality exists it is akin to a shifting tide of infinite parallel realities. That is *almost* infinity right there. So from my perspective, I think to myself, what is the next step to that state of *near infinity*? And with that thought I strongly feel that the octave is the mega container for all possibility. It just "fits" intuitively for me, and logically. I freely admit, I could be completely wrong, but that is the answer that I currently feel the most "light of truth" in, personally speaking.
Another thing, to kind of flesh out my view a little, is that from my perspective, I don't see a separation between the rays no matter the density (consider for a moment that densities are basically "mini-octaves"). For example, I do not see the red ray sub-density of yellow ray as separate from the red ray sub-density of orange ray, as an example. They are both red ray, and both represent red ray manifestations as seen through eyes of whatever true color conscious entity they occur on (in my view red ray usually represents a given densities physical perspective). For example, from my perspective, the red ray subdensity of true color yellow is: a self aware physical perspective (3rd density physical incarnation).
Similarly, I do not see a separation between the octave ray (if you will accept this creative misnomer), and any other octave ray. The octave ray, if you will pardon my made up word/concept, is the "infinity ray" or "white ray" (all inclusive ray), just as the yellow ray, is the "self awareness" ray, no matter what density it expresses in. Now to be fair, every ray expresses slightly differently in every density, but archetypically speaking it is essentially the same. I make the presumption that the same thing holds true from octave to octave. Same rays, slightly different in nuance, but archetypically fundamentically identical.
(08-17-2016, 06:47 PM)Papercut Wrote: Wish I could express my self as you have, nevertheless I'm loving this dance of thoughts.
What about the part of the sub-logos(sun), it would seem that it has a big role in the densities we experience. And if I'm not wrong Ra has stated that beings from other galaxies have little to no interaction with our own at all. Could this possibly mean that a galaxy is an octave of its own, and a solar system is a sub-octave to that one?
Our local solar Logoi doesn't create the densities we experience, but rather it "nuances" them. It refines the archetypes of our local space/time and time/space in conformance with its desires and curiosities as a living sub creator (as all aspects of the one do). Thus, the archetypes we experience are extensions of its peculiarities (its unique perspective). Every sub-logoi offers refinement on the previously more broad, general, and encompassing reality that preceded it. We, in our individual lives, are offering refinements to the archetypes as well. You might think of these refinements as sub-archetypes. And the refinements increase in complexity and specificity to the same degree as individuation occurs.


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