08-17-2016, 04:22 PM
(08-17-2016, 03:09 PM)Minyatur Wrote: That seems to perceive the Octave format as being absolute instead of a particular focus found, inherent instead of explored.
Yes, I believe there are seven rays in each exploration, and the exploration of these seven rays is an octave. The octave level is the white light of pure potentiality, awaiting differentiation into the seven rays.
(08-17-2016, 03:14 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Well, the relevant quote in question (52.12) says:
Quote:This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.
Now, this is highly ambiguous, to be sure. But what I take away from it is that the Creator also has a "higher self" so to speak, one which was\is created when our Creator achieved\s absolute unity and absolute harnessing of its total potential. I see some parallels between this description and his description of how our own oversouls work, anyway.
But the question becomes: where do the Light Bringers come from? If they're ultimately still of the Creator, then that would imply it fragments again after achieving wholeness. While possible, this doesn't strike me as terribly likely, unless the cosmos really is an endless loop of fragmentation and unification. The other alternative, of course, is that on the other side of the Octave, there are other entities, presumably ones who have all achieved that level of self-actualization, or even more.
This is, at least, the interpretation I prefer.
Your higher self analogy is precisely how I see it. Though, my interpretation might diverge from your own a bit. All differentiation is an illusion from my point of view, so the notion of higher selves is an infinitely recursive projection that even applies to the Logos (which I identify as a 7th density being). The light bringers are its "higher self", of a sort, seemingly "coming back" to aid our octave in its Logos completion. It is similar to if you have two mirrors facing each other, and you are in the center. An infinite projection of reflections ahead of you, and an infinite projection of reflections in back of you.
Are they real? At least as real as us, because we have mistakenly identified with one of the images in the mirror.
But from the standpoint of intelligent infinity or pure conscious unity, its just reflections in the mirror -- distortions of what is really there -- refractions of light. So from one perspective, there are beings traveling back from the next octave to aid us, and from another, it is simply an appearance or distortion to accommodate the recursive distortions of light reflexively generated by egoic identification. Ripples in the pond of time and raw consciousness.
I personally believe that every octave is essentially the same. Specifically different, but archetypically the same. Meaning, in each octave there will be a red ray, orange ray, yellow ray, and so on.
From my perspective, infinity cannot become more infinite, or less infinite, so I see the octave density as merely the container for all potentiality. It is a place where there is no difference between the potential and the actual -- the nucleus and source of creative energy. Each vibrational level from violet to red represents a more specific narrowing of perspective from infinite possibility to specific probability. So the transition from our octave to the next is a process of pivoting from this exploration of finity into the infinite plenum of 8th density intelligent infintiy, and then refocusing into another exploration of finity, a new octave of densities.
As for my preference? I don't really have one I don't think, this is just what makes the most sense to my intuition and logic at the moment, but I fully appreciate that others have different perspectives on how the One differentiates or does not differentiate.

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