08-17-2016, 01:42 AM
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(08-02-2016, 08:20 AM)Verum Occultum Wrote: [Movement from density to density...] Perhaps it is like using an elevator. You can go up and down. Though this is a rough analogy. According to Bashar some people visit 5D, 6D and even 7D temporarily in DMT trips. I don't believe the densities are somewhere "out there", but are an expression of the inner self and its development. They are within one's mind, within the (subjective) universal mind. In climbing the steps of light, it only seems that you are ascending to a different outer environment, but really you are bringing more of your multidimensional inner environment into manifestation, into an understandable platform of experience. At least this is my interpretation.
In my understanding, you can move across densities if you have the body capable of doing this. Let's look back at the "Wanderers". They are entities from densities higher than our own; that is, their native realm of experience is denser than ours. No wait, let's look to the human: the human has third-density activated body, the "yellow-ray" body.
Quote:47.10 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body in potentiation is used to create the chemical arrangement that I have as a physical body now. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect only in that in your present incarnation the yellow-ray body is not in potentiation but in activation, it being that body which is manifest.
This body, which we each may call our own individual body, is apparently not just an overlaid interface as I put it in a previous post.
It is that body which was the result of graduation of the second-density bipedal form. As a result of the second-density graduation into third-density, there was a new body to enable the experience which is third-density.
I presume that this body arranged the second density form, which, being a mind/body complex suited for graduation, had attained third-density consciousness, in a fashion as to consistently sustain a basic third-density consciousness (20.4) and thus set the foundation for the third-density experience within the new physical body as the bodies later reproduced themselves bisexually. And, even later, grew in self-awareness.
This is not accounting for the genetic manipulations of the Guardians...
Quote:21.8 Questioner: I don’t mean to be covering ground that we’ve already covered[...]
So at the start of this 75,000-year cycle we know that the quarantine was set up. I am assuming then that the Guardians were aware of the infringements on free will that would occur if they didn’t set this up at that time and therefore did it. This— Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect. The incorrectness is as follows: those entities whose third-density experience upon your Red Planet was brought to a close prematurely were aided genetically while being transferred to this third density. This, although done in a desire to aid, was seen as infringement upon free will. The light quarantine which consists of the Guardians, or gardeners as you may call them, which would have been in effect thus was intensified.
I spoke in general.
There are bipedal second-density entities who did not meet graduation requirements and therefore did not themselves attain the third-density body/form when second-density ended on this planet. (20.2) By saying "second-density ended on this planet", I mean that the vibration of the planet began to receive those vibrations of the yellow-ray or third-density. In the same way, the core atomic vibrations of fourth density had begun to be received by Earth in order to form the fourth-density planet. Thus, third-density has in a sense "ended". The Earth still has core vibrations of the red spectrum, this being the planet itself; it had at a point in the past received core atomic vibrations of the orange spectrum, this producing the second-density entities; and presumably, the third- or yellow-ray density vibrations were sent to the planet as well, thus producing our third-density entities at a point in time. However, third density not only consists of ourselves but also of our "artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings" (63.32).
(To get the idea of core atomic vibration: 40.5, 40.3)
(The planet "receiving" vibrations...: 13.23, 63.29)
The harvest (a bit different from graduation) for third-density entities had begun sometime within the past several years, it seems (17.29). ...
As I understand it, third-density entities may graduate whenever they have learned the lessons of love, and/or balanced the minimally activated six energy centers (in order to sustain love/light; the seventh, violet-ray energy center is one which balances itself and indicates the vibration of the entity; these allow a "white light" to flow through, intelligent energy (not intelligent infinity, which is the potential; intelligent energy is that potential tapped and used for work...).
Let me expand on graduation.
Quote:Ra (40.4) : It is necessary for graduation across densities for the primary energy centers to be functioning in such a way as to communicate with intelligent infinity and to appreciate and bask in this light in all of its purity.
In this density, third-density, we only need to take in our experience and react to it spontaneously, thus taking experience in full, then distilling, in reflection or meditation, love/light from our experience. (41.19)
Through our sincerity along this process, we may experience the energy center activations: we may experience the compassion and "love" which is of the green-ray energy center; we may experience communication of our mind/spirit understanding which is the blue-ray energy center, etc (15.12).
Again, be sincere. What do you really want? I may say examine your desire, know yourself, accept yourself, to speak tritely and vaguely about what you may do for graduation [Be careful, Be thoughtful]. And again, the energy centers may be activated but you ought to pay attention to the totality of your experience (41.19 again).
Once the energy centers are balanced, you are quite honestly entering by the energy centers red-through-to-indigo to the violet-ray which is the gateway to intelligent infinity.
You could then leave this density (14.16), unless you wish to stay. In other densities the energy centers are again the focus of work, but they are to be refined (41.16). In fourth-density, the green-ray vibration of love is experienced, love is refined. All these later densities have to do with extremely subtle and constant balances between and/or of the higher energy centers (64.6). (All while you experience the vibrations of such densities which, to give a sample, are of Love:
Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?)
Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.
Finally, you may enter the seventh density....supposedly the violet ray if we are looking at our own energy centers, yet the eighth density, which ends this octave and begins the next one, is claimed as the violet-ray density, I think; it is also the first density of the next octave of densities. Ra is within the sixth density of our octave.
At the end of this octave you may know the Original Thought itself, the creator, in full.
Every octave is different, builds upon the last octave, but comes from the infinity which was always in potential and which was experienced individually and in group, I suppose.
Back to where I was:
Keeping in mind the notion that we may each "graduate" at any time, harvest, then, basically means that the time for reincarnations of those humans present on Earth, is over; we may not return to this planet to re-incarnate and repeat third-density if we, at the end of our individual incarnation, need to; each one will either graduate -- that is, be harvestable -- or we won't. Those who repeat will experience the after-life at the end of the incarnation and then essentially continue where one had left off (I think that's how it works). If there was any karma, it will be taken and the entity will be bound to the density until the karma is alleviated in it's own unique way (see 34.4 and 34.5; many of the Maldek entities had karma from their third-density experience and decided to alleviate this quite strangely on our planet (10.1); Wanderers who incarnate may if stay in the major cycle of third-density due to karma (12.28, 16.61)).
Third-density entities who were harvestable, and who have returned in dual-activated bodies will be the ones who reproduce and gradualy create the type of fourth-density body complex which experiences fourth-density if I understand this correctly. If not this, then simple third-density entities who are harvestable will reproduce and birth the dual-activated bodies:
Quote:63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of which we spoke, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, are they the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?
Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true-color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.
Apart from that trivial information, the dual-activated bodies are those which have the third-density body in activation and the fourth-density body in activation simultaneously. This enables them to appreciate the vibrations of fourth-density which are fully upon this planet at this time...
Quote:63.13 Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.
This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.
That penultimate sentence is one I would've used in my post earlier, to argue that a third-density entity cannot experience the fourth-density, but it could easily be countered with the idea that there are different bodies for different vibrations. Nevertheless, the third-density body itself cannot be fully "electrically" aware of the fourth-density.
However, the dual-activated bodies which are transitional bodies of third-to-fourth density evolution may be so electrically aware of the next density, aware to an unstated degree.
Moreover, I will make another point on what that penultimate sentence also implies: that in theory the entity may be aware of the density. The consciousness is unaffected it seems, but the body is affected to the point that it would "fail", or cease functioning electrically I take it to mean. I will use this to bolster my point that an entity of third cannot take in experience above their own density...at least not fully. The body in which we find ourselves incarnate has it's limits as to what vibrations it can experience. The balanced energy centers, allowing the light of the creator to flow through, may be the ultimate limit. The consciousness, however, may not have any limit.
For one (an entity) to have an energy body in activation, one must place the consciousness in a different plane or "state". This area of placement, I believe, is what you referred to as one's self or inner universe.
So consciousness can be placed in different planes, basically. What I must understand is the relationship between the body in a plane, the body, and if applicable the "state".
Ra uses the term "etheric state" when referring to how a healer places consciousness in the indigo-ray body:
Quote:47.8 Ra: I am Ra. [...] The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.
The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.
Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex.
Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state.[...]
So what is the etheric state? Or any "state", as it relates to the energy bodies? Is it just the material of the body?
My best guess is that the "states" in which consciousness may be placed, is composed of both the nature of the energy body and the nature of the plane upon which that body exists.
Quote:30.2 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define mind, body, and spirit separately?
Ra: I am Ra. These terms are all simplistic descriptive terms which equal a complex of energy focuses; the body, as you call it, being the material of the density which you experience at a given space/time or time/space; this complex of materials being available for distortions of what you would call physical manifestation.
The material of the energy body in the sub-density of third-density...is of importance to this matter then....
These energy bodies are also rarely referred to as "subtle bodies" (47.8) in the Ra Material.
We possess these subtle bodies at all times, they may be activated, consciousness placed upon them.
However the nature of placing consciousness there is not something I understand at this point. I understand that consciousness is usually left for the third-density body. We are conscious when we are awake, when we are not sleeping, resting, or otherwise unconscious. And I believe concentration, meditation, or "trance states" enable an entity to attempt to get a feel for and access the more subtle bodies. But what do these bodies allow? Where do they lie?
We have a mind, body, spirit. The spirit is the shuttle to intelligent infinity.
Quote:(from 30.2 again) Ra: [...]that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.
This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.
I think of the spirit [complex] as a hall or corridor to simplify, or rather symbolize, the shuttle concept.
Consciousness being funnelled means it may be pushed upward once the entity itself is doing the work of the adept, conscious work on the indigo-ray energy center, allowing the upward spiraling light which enters from the first energy center, the red-ray energy center reach upward to that sixth, indigo-ray, energy center.
Quote:54.27 Questioner: [(From the previous question) Can you describe the energy that enters any of these energy centers? Can you describe its path from its origin, its form, and its effect?] Would you please do that?
Ra: The origin of all energy is the action of free will upon love. The nature of all energy is light. The means of its ingress into the mind/body/spirit complex is duple.
Firstly, there is the inner light which is Polaris of the self, the guiding star. This is the birthright and true nature of all entities. This energy dwells within.
The second point of ingress is the polar opposite of the North Star, shall we say, and may be seen, if you wish to use the physical body as an analog for the magnetic field, as coming through the feet from the earth and through the lower point of the spine. This point of ingress of the universal light energy is undifferentiated until it begins its filtering process through the energy centers. The requirements of each center and the efficiency with which the individual has learned to tap into the inner light determine the nature of the use made by the entity of these instreamings.
Energy, termed "light", flows upward from the first energy center: the red-ray.
This is where it begins to enter the mind/body/spirit complex. The "light" is red first, energizing or filtering as the red-ray energy. The light, if there be no blockage in its path, energizes the subsequent energy centers.
Quote:(57.33) Ra: [...] The purpose of clearing each energy center is to allow that meeting place to occur at the indigo-ray vibration, thus making contact with intelligent infinity and dissolving all illusions. [...]
Quote:(49.6) Ra: [...]Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.[...]
The inner light, referred to as the Polaris of the self, is that which makes you the creator seeking, it is that light which has created you anyways, beforehand.
There is a distinct difference in vibratory experience between densities....but the matter at hand isn't that they are or aren't distinct. Anyone can claim to have reached a different density while incarnate. Because they felt something unspeakable which was likely due to contact with intelligent infinity (34.2, 80.22).
The matter is whether we, humans, may travel between densities.
And for that, this post and the previous two substantial posts are all the argument I have so far.
Here's a too long; didn't read:
-You could activate the denser bodies, the energy bodies, and become god-like within this density. Within our third-density.
-But within this density, the ultimate lesson to be learned is the way of love -- preparing for either love of self or having learned love of self & other-self, to the extent of harvestability, indicated by your minimally activated energy centers being balanced according to your unique configuration, thus enabling harvestability to fourth-density, or in any case graduation. However, some of you may have come to serve. Others may simply wish to gain the experience here to polarize greatly in their home, higher densities. Doesn't change the graduation requirements, or the discipline needed to traverse a density. Anyways, there are two paths. Either way, please try not to suffer too much.
-You cannot travel across densities (I would expect this more easily done by Wanderers who may have come from higher densities than fourth; meaning you are only able to move to the fourth density if you are not a Wanderer or entity 'originally' from a higher density than fourth; and yet, it is quite impractical to move to preceding densities, for the learning gained in a given density is the foundation for the next to come)...again, you cannot travel across densities without tapping into violet-ray, which I believe is "accessed", or rather the intelligent infinity from it is received, through the balancing of all color rays beginning with the red-ray up to the indigo-ray energy center.
-"Wanderers": you do have energy bodies like, but you have "old" (according to time) lessons you've forgotten from the densities which you've already experienced. I would assume the shape of the energy bodies of your human self are different than the shape of the energy bodies of your Wanderer-self, that is, your body as it was before incarnation. Not sure how that works. But you are totally third-density now. Even- if you activate those bodies, they enable the consciousness to be placed in ....a different place. I believe this "different place" is actually the energy body....if not, "it" is the inner plane, one of the appropriate higher sub-densities of third density which correspond to the energy body being activated. You are still within third-density deciding who to serve. You may have pierced the Veil at that point. It's your choice what to do, you will have your own realizations as long as you're here.
-Consciousness: ??? We possess it, I guess. That's all I understand so far.
-Energy bodies: not too sure about this either. Haven't learned much about it by searching sessions, in no particular order, from the Ra Material. After rereading my next point I have to say that energy bodies must have to do with travel within the inner planes, as consciousness accesses the bodies, and as an entity is probably unconscious in the third-density body. Still not sure.
-Each octave has seven densities, without exception I presume. Within each density, say for example our third-density, there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, there are seven more sub-densities, infinitely. (16.51). But this is a little bit more difficult. Q: Where do the sub-densities lie? A: In third density. The inner planes, or invisible planes, are metaphysical. We inhabit sub-planes in third-density due to our vibratory nature in third-density. Sub-planes are not the same as inner planes. Sub-planes simply have to do with the nature of the energy centers which we are penetrating at the time. We may meet others who penetrate certain energy centers, other people who penetrate more than one, and those individuals can thus be said to be penetrating several planes at a time. The more focused you are on one energy center, the more you are experiencing the sub-plane corresponding to that energy center. This was hard to derive from 17.38 but I don't think it's a stretch.
-I trust Ra's information far more than I trust Bashar's. If necessary, I would compare what Bashar has to say and if it did not align with what Ra has had to say, I would disregard that Bashar entity's information. That entity's information so far does not align with what I understand.
-You need planets for densities. A density is not within you, but the several energy/dense bodies are 'within' you. One cannot potentiate a density, but one may potentiate an energy center or an energy body even, all of them potentially, given that the entity is in self-aware form.
-Chemical trips: if they do not meet the "discipline of personality" requirements or graduation requirements, then I at least can say the trips do not allow for movement across densities.
-Finally: I digressed alot here. But I really liked writing most of this stuff. I probably won't be revising this one any time soon.
I haven't directly replied to your sentences, quoting them and addressing them so, but I think that the material, here and in a previous post, which I've written covers the important points of your post sufficiently, and my replies toward that post are finished. But, your final quote tells me that the person who wrote those lines has consideration of their body form beyond the human bodily form.
Alright (sigh). Thank you.