08-10-2016, 12:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2016, 12:10 PM by BlatzAdict.)
(08-09-2016, 11:55 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:(08-09-2016, 09:16 AM)Manjushri Wrote:(08-09-2016, 05:20 AM)Billy Wrote:(08-07-2016, 06:02 PM)Chandlersdad Wrote: Can I be blunt? I am sick and tired of straight men proclaiming the truth about homosexuality. How about instead of proclaiming, you simply ASK GAY PEOPLE?!?!! Would that require too much humility?
What is the truth about homosexuality? As a straight man, I am curious. Is it how I feel the desires for love, affection, sex, companionship etc towards women, except towards men, or is it not that simplistic?
Quote:Also, for the record, gay men are probably MORE gracious with women than straight men. I always open doors for women, for example. Were you saying that if there is no sexual interest, a man will not treat women with respect and good manners? Women are our mothers. Now THAT is an instinctive dynamic right there. Women are our sisters and friends. When I see a young woman struggling with 2 small children, I instinctively rush to open the door for her or help in any way I can. SHE is the mother of the human race. It doesn't take a fantasy about her vagina to force me to be a decent human being.
I don't think that Jade was saying that without sexual interest/attraction a man wouldn't treat a women with respect, but that it is a powerful and driving factor in the way in which he would interact her. When I see a girl I am attracted to, that attraction can and often does act like 'tunnel vision' with all other stimuli being pushed aside for that moment. It's like being taken over by something and can make you act in ways which feel almost out of your control. I don't think it is really fair to compare straight men to gay men when it comes to treatment of women, as the dynamic is quite different. Sexual attraction is a powerful influence. Maybe you open doors and are kind to women, not because they are women, but because you have compassion and enjoy helping people in need. Just a thought.
Perhaps Jade was trying to liken the human experience to her interpretation of the archetypes? i.e. in a typical relationship a man is trying to "court the maiden" on his own personal Fool's Journey? Perhaps with gay people every card which is male is female and vice versa? Just a thought.
"Courting the maiden" in the transformation card has nothing to do with gender, except archetypically, where the male pursues the female - the yang reaches for the yin, the will reaches for the subconscious resources. Billy is close to what I mean, speaking through the gendered lens. Apparently, according to Ra, as physical expressions of gender, we are predisposed to acting out upon those lines - the male reaching for the female. Two opposite poles seeking their balance. The yin and the yang form a perfect and complete circle. This "coupling"/transfer/whatever you want to call it, is available to any man and woman who come together and desire for this transfer. It just takes a little more effort to affect this transfer when the genders aren't automatically polarized.
i think these concepts are easier to grasp as divine feminine and divine masculine as to complimentary sides within each person.
http://sunyatasatchitananda.com/divine-masculine/
http://sunyatasatchitananda.com/divine-feminine/
I think we need to stop identifying with the physical junk that we have, and start looking at everyone as having a feminine and masculine side to them that will always have a distortion to the teaching as long as we identify others by the physical junk that they have as opposed to the core personalities and archetypes. One of the goals all wanderer souls seem to gravitate towards is ambiguity and androgyny because the body manifests as a result of the soul flame. Otherwise as above so below , or everything is one would not be true.
One of the things they talk about fasting is that it's like trying to entrain the spiritual and mental bodies by fasting on the physical level. Though it also says you can get the same result from fasting by doing the opposite, and healing the mental block.
With that said I think that the body manifests as androgynous in the wanderer because the soul is already starting to balance the feminine and masculine within them and not trying to fix other people.
Trying to feel victimized over how others perceive you is like trying to over ride free will and complain that someone wasn't born all knowing. When we know the lesson of love is that it's only possible to love others when you love the self. We can't change anyone, or over ride free will for any reason, but the one person we do have a capacity to change is ourselves only.
I feel like it makes perfect sense to have a choice of what sex you incarnate in, and to look at things only from the perspective of this one life, misses the point of why you came in the first place.
Also my first past life regression I was a different race but I had the same exact face, so I'm with the camp that you can pick and choose to incarnate in any kind of face that you want, but out of human genetics there are only a set number of different templates from which to choose that usually have their individual strengths and weaknesses. Most souls usually pick the same templates over and over unless there is a specific lesson in mind. (Information is from both personal past life regressions and also from Micheal Newton's Journey of Souls).