10-07-2010, 11:43 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-07-2010, 11:47 AM by Questioner.)
I agree that an oligarchy of self-serving elites can, have, and still do manipulate democracy and capitalism.
I agree that competition can be a tool of self-serving elites towards destruction of diversity (the ruthless monopoly model), rather than a continuous learning from one another in aspiration towards excellence in service (the Olympic ideal).
I agree that profit can be a tool of enforced extraction at the cost of those actually doing the productive work.
Agreeing to that, and with all respect, I believe that your insistence that all profit is inherently evil, and that the capitalist system cannot be a tool of service to others, is naive and unwise. With utmost respect, I believe your concerns are a perfect example of loving selflessness unbalanced by the next step up in wisdom. Please notice I am not saying your desire to be loving, to serve others and to seek a just world is naive. I am saying that the intellectual principles you advocate seem to me to be incomplete.
If you've not read Henry Ford's book, I encourage you to do so. Pretty much every concern you have about capitalism, he specifically addresses from the point of view of service to others.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7213/pg7213.html
I'm not going to agree that capitalism is always inherently evil, socialism inherently loving, wise, and just, within our 3D human world of today. I'm not going to agree that one who wishes to serve and love one's fellow men and women must abdicate any thought of profit. I'm not going to agree that if one happens to be in a capitalist society, the only moral option is to agitate for or move to a political system based on socialism.
I believe that such black and white thinking is based on sincere concern, which I respect. I also believe the black and white thinking applies concepts that are misinformed and unrealistic. Again, this comes from a great depth of study, meditation, thought and intuitive exploration of these topics for many years. I may well be mistaken, but I'm unlikely to have overlooked the obvious.
Any human system in 3D is imperfect. I believe Ford shows a way to love our neighbor through effective business within a capitalist economy.
I agree that competition can be a tool of self-serving elites towards destruction of diversity (the ruthless monopoly model), rather than a continuous learning from one another in aspiration towards excellence in service (the Olympic ideal).
I agree that profit can be a tool of enforced extraction at the cost of those actually doing the productive work.
Agreeing to that, and with all respect, I believe that your insistence that all profit is inherently evil, and that the capitalist system cannot be a tool of service to others, is naive and unwise. With utmost respect, I believe your concerns are a perfect example of loving selflessness unbalanced by the next step up in wisdom. Please notice I am not saying your desire to be loving, to serve others and to seek a just world is naive. I am saying that the intellectual principles you advocate seem to me to be incomplete.
If you've not read Henry Ford's book, I encourage you to do so. Pretty much every concern you have about capitalism, he specifically addresses from the point of view of service to others.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7213/pg7213.html
I'm not going to agree that capitalism is always inherently evil, socialism inherently loving, wise, and just, within our 3D human world of today. I'm not going to agree that one who wishes to serve and love one's fellow men and women must abdicate any thought of profit. I'm not going to agree that if one happens to be in a capitalist society, the only moral option is to agitate for or move to a political system based on socialism.
I believe that such black and white thinking is based on sincere concern, which I respect. I also believe the black and white thinking applies concepts that are misinformed and unrealistic. Again, this comes from a great depth of study, meditation, thought and intuitive exploration of these topics for many years. I may well be mistaken, but I'm unlikely to have overlooked the obvious.
Any human system in 3D is imperfect. I believe Ford shows a way to love our neighbor through effective business within a capitalist economy.
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