6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

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It kinda matters here.

The Stairways of Light (82.29) metaphor does very much seem to be the same as the Line of Light (6.14) metaphor.

However, the context of the former is in response to a direct question about whether the pre-veil harvest was the same as the current post-veil harvest. Rather than saying “Harvest is the same” Ra actually said, “The query is not answered easily.” This suggests caution about concluding that the two harvests have the same mechanism.

The absolute test is: “The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator.” (82.29)

But the mechanism to grade souls pre-veil is more than just about “stairs” vs. “a line.” And more than just “quality” of light vs “intensity” of light.

well said and well put. indeed, ra doesnt just say 'harvest is the same'. if it has been the same, ra could say the same. if it had only minor differences, ra could say there are only minor differences.

instead, they gave a detailed, intricate explanation of mechanics with actual differences in it.

There is a act of “faith or will” involved in pre-veil harvest that is not mentioned in any post-veil harvest description. That suggests that an entity on the steps between 3rd and 4th density (pre-veil) could cross the resisting threshold by an act of “faith or will” during the test. There is a requirement to “seek past the boundary of third density.”

The post-veil descriptions describe walking the line until the intensity gets too great. If an entity stops right at the edge of 3rd, there is no suggestion that a post-veil soul could still manage to cross over into 4th by “will or faith.” There is no suggestion (post-veil) that “seeking” is required at all. Souls that have 4th dimensional characteristics go to 4th unless they actively choose to stay in 3rd. In other words, nowadays (post-veil) wanting, seeking, willing or faithing (sorry, had to say that to make it parallel) does not apply, but Ra suggests they were important pre-veil.

important observation. i missed these. these have important implications.

according to these important details, there had to be a conscious, or subconscious intent, a desire and the will to accompany it, to graduate to 4d from 3d PREveil. that means, the resistance could be passed by that will.

in postveil, conscious seeking, as we know from endless descriptions and cases, do not apply. even so that, it doesnt matter what an entity is doing, as long as the entity is polarized positive or negative enough. this polarization is deemed (and it is) the potential to do work (positive or negative). the entity just walks the line, and stops when the light is too strong.

I personally am of two minds about the different descriptions of the harvest mechanisms. It doesn’t seem to make sense that the harvest mechanism would be different pre-veil vs post veil. And yet, Ra did use different words.

it doesnt make sense ? thats even not worthy of debate :

preveil and postveil galaxy is QUITE different. in one, there is 1, 2, 3, 4, with 3 and 4 being rather long, and then a quite speedy route to 8th, suggesting that the activity in the 5,6,7th densities take too little time compared to now. this is normal, because, if we remember what Ra told about the time spent in a density, or the imbalance of a density's overemphasis, they had to spend more time in 5th, to balance the extreme compassion they gained in 4th. moreover, in regard to preveil and postveil experiences, and now very short (75,000 year) 3d, we are told that the RATIOS always remain the same. so, if 3rd d is too short, the subsequent densities will take their due time. comparably, if 3d is too long, densities following it will take less time. of course, the length/ratios of the following densities will also matter.

this easily leads us to the fact that, because there were too long 3d and 4d preveil, there were fast 5,6,7 densities preveil. actually, we dont need to be led to it, we are told as such, directly.

in postveil world, there is a VERY short 3d. so much that, it doesnt even constitute a normal incarnation duration of a 4d entity ? its very short, and it is described as 'making the choice in the blink of an eye' in book 4 studies. so, it IS short. it is no metaphor.

moreover, we have two polarities instead of one compared to preveil. one is quite separated, and acting differently, functioning differently from the other.

these are no minor differences. these are major differences.

it is only normal for the harvest methods for the VERY density, causing these major changes to be different. it is 3rd density.

actually i dont even know why we are discussing this. ra, describes the two harvest methods, DIFFERENT.

strength/intensity cannot be same with quality. such grand synonymization in between words ..... beyond reasoning.

then lets just synonymize positive and negative too. what difference does it make. in the end, dont they both serve intelligent infinity ....

Seeking is very much part of our current harvest. For instance, "14.14 There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex."

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you are missing the meaning there.

that is an answer to a question about a machine that someone is building somewhere, that was supposed to give longer life to entities. in turn, ra says that, there is NOT at this time ANY reason to include efforts toward longevity, and instead efforts should be spent to invoke conscious seeking. that is because little time left. as it unfolds in the preceding and following parts of that subject in q/as.

since there is little time, those entities who havent created a natural, developing polarity up till this date, can speed up and catch the required level with conscious seeking.

it doesnt say that seeking is part of harvest requirement today. not in that part, not before, not after.

We are not told that the test is not the same. The same test is described in two different ways.

that is your interpretation. and it is a quite far flung one. steps of light with quality of light imbued at each step, a straight line with increasing strength of light as you go towards a light source.

the only thing you are using to justify them being the same, is confederation entities standing by the line's sides to hold those who fall down.

you are even equating words strength and quality.

Also, Ra did use the word intensity in the general description of harvest that preceded the paragraph about pre-veil harvest. That general description clearly applies to all third-density harvests. I don't know, but they may have used the word "quality" for no other reason than that they had just used "intensity" in the previous paragraph and were searching for a synonym.

violet ray balance of an entity, will be important in all harvests, leave aside preveil, leave aside 3d. for 4, 5, 6d harvests, actually any act in this universe, will be relevant to violet ray.

its as if you are assuming that itll be either this, or that. no, whether you give polarization, strength of light as a requirement, or, quality of light as a requirement, the entity will have to meet a minimum balance of violet ray in order to graduate from density to density, depending on the density being graduated.

the EMPHASIS is important.

now, 3d harvest hinges on polarity. you may not know anything, you may be totally oblivious to life, but, if you are polarized enough and have a minimum balance of violet for that density, you graduate.

strength and quality, never become synonymous, regardless of whatever context you put them into. only, strength can be a variable IN the quality, if you push it too hard.

All throughout session 82 Ra explained to Don again and again that pre-veil third-density lessons are not different than post-veil third-density lessons. They both need to polarize. Think about what polarizing means. What is it but moving more and more into the light?

apparently it isnt, since Ra is continuing their seeking without polarity, as they inform us. and they are in late 6d.

Also, Ra says several times that the requirements for harvest are set. They are not set by the sub-Logos but rather by the Logos. The sub-Logos designs the course of study for the third-density entities, but it cannot change the examination.

that has no relevance. the mechanisms and blueprints of anything that can happen in this octave, was set by infinite intelligence before.

yet, veil was not known and employed before. however, it is now discovered, and employed.

in short, there are things that can be discovered, and they can change things.

however, relevantly, the mechanism of harvest to be used for 3d planets employing the veil was also set before, by infinite intelligence. it was there, but was not discovered and employed by the central sun (and its nodes) in this universe.

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it seems more to me that, this insistence, to the extent of equating words 'strength' and 'quality' is due to an underlying desire to get harvested on this planet, nomatter what, ON polarity.

i cant even begin to understand this.