Courting the maiden

[Jade]

Yet you bought them from those who extracted them for money?

Indeed. And I still drive a car that requires gasoline, which is rarely extracted with "compassion". As I've mentioned, it's a series of doing better than before. I am frugal with gasoline, instead of driving a hummer, I drive a Kia that gets 30+ MPH. And you're right, I probably should be more aware when I purchase stones. Luckily, I live somewhere where I can purchase "locally harvested" minerals! That's a good one to start working towards - buying from the small-time miners who do it out of love for having a "job" in nature where they do understand the courtship dance involved, and not just to make a quick buck. Thanks for helping me with that one.

I'm not sure why you speak of Gaia's will, I highly doubt Gaia has a desired outcome toward this, while you seem to see a prostitute I see a mother that both freely gives and resist depending on what her children needs. If she is blown up then she lets it happen out of love and will reform again into something new, I don't see how further cycles mean the earth being blown up, I could see that happen as a counter-measure to the forced harvest.

I think Gaia would be fine harvesting in any direction, just as repeating cycles. Like I said those who want to see the harvest happen are external to it and also forcefully make it happen.

I'm just quoting other channeled materials, including Ra, which state that Gaia is moving into 4D+. I'm assuming this is her will. I speak of it because it does matter. Again, Carla could have harvested 6D negative and learned all those lessons, just as Gaia could let herself be blown up. You keep using the word prostitute as if it were a dirty word, and I assure you that I do not think lowly of anything that prostitutes itself, which is one of your problems with this analogy. It isn't about judging the prostitute, it's about attempting to refrain from the act of plunder - and Gaia being plundered to disintegration would indeed make her the prostitute in the analogy, and us humans receiving that which is "without great virtue".

What do you take of the word "virtue" as Ra describes it in the archetype?

I agree our bodies are a world of their own. Each of us has the responsability of our inner world as we grow as co-creator just as mankind was given this place to grow as co-creator.

Though you scoff at the idea of considering Gaia's will? I'm almost certain that the cells in my "world", including those that are independent lifeforms, consider my will.

76.20 Questioner: What was the form of disease, and why did this exist at beginning third density?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, that which you speak of as disease is a functional portion of the body complex which offers the body complex the opportunity to cease viability. This is a desirable body complex function. The second portion of the answer has to do with second-density other-selves of a microscopic, as you would call it, size which have in some forms long existed and perform their service by aiding the physical body complex in its function of ceasing viability at the appropriate space/time.

I still think you can crystalize your heart into a channel unto those higher vibration of love.

Like I said I work on all my chakras and the heart is the one I've been working on most into by far.

That's certainly possible, but this card is especially, specifically, about the green-ray. Not higher, balanced love, but polarized love.

I was not trying to make you follow both paths but expand what each path can be. I get how my examples seemed to

focused on doing what seem without love but the point was to find the ability to be able to perform them with love, or rather understanding that not everyone will find being loving in the same manner. My examples were not to always do them, they were more meant to say that if one finds a way to serve which one believes is always valid, then I don't see how it is all that different from plundering. My examples were meant to hint that even if an action is valid a 1000 times, the 1001th time can call for a different course of action because each moment has a different inherent underlying complexity but that to know this I believe requires to use the transformation of the mind, to be open that each moment is unique and although the mind perceives the same setting, the heart through the High Priestess can feel resistance on particular occasions toward doing the exact same deeds that are usually always well, and that to ignore this is somewhat to plunder in my view.

That's why we disagree. In my analogy, the prostitute is calling to you - her face is painted, her leg is sticking out, she beckons like a siren to a sailor. This is what Ra means when he says "Both the deep mind and the virginal mind await the reaching" - you must LET GO of one of the hands of the priestess - yes, indeed, ignore her wishes. This can be your interpretation of "plunder" but this is my interpretation of the Lovers card per Ra. We are in disagreement.

My example was somewhat abtract, if your High Priestess would call you to do that then there should be a reason for you to. You can turn the McDonald example into simply being called to purchase one particular piece of meat you are called to (reincarnation of a past pet... anything) and rather than eating it, hold it into your hands into meditation to help heal that one particular entity you were drawn to.

Again, this was not an absolute example. Can happen in myriads of ways, someone can offer you one on the street and tell youl it'll be thrown if you don't take it. Then you have to chose between letting it rot to waste and taking in as part of yourself and part of the karma with you. Then again the point is not that you need to do this, just that openness to see love being present in many ways open oneself toward being called to more opportunities to serve.

Again, refer to my previous analogy and quote from Ra. The prostitute is still asking for service. You must let her hand go for the transformation to occur.

Surely but this does not deny that Ra probably had so much more to teach about each card than what was passed on and expressed this process of study to be highly individual if I remember well.

I never tried to make it not about the STO polarity. More that the way and path for me to find STO within myself can differ than what you found for yourself. I didn't resonate with courting but did more with the notion of plundering which is to be let go of, I may have seen it as more abstract than you did because I am aware there is no actual plundering ever taking place and that it is more of a matter of personal feelings.

What makes you think that I'm being 100% literal? I've discussed the ways that I myself, "plunder". I can think of others. Sometimes, I meditate for "utility", which frustrates me on both ends. I also smoke much more marijuana than I would be if I were "courting" it. These are pretty big "infractions" in my book and I'm exploring ways to correct them. It's your own personal problem with the idea that you could possibly be plundering something, it seems, as you've yet to admit that you think you take advantage of anything's resource. Again, the prostitute WANTS to be "plundered", or taken advantage of for her resources - though, there is still an energy exchange. I am not being literal. As you've said, nothing is actually being -plundered-, it is just give-and-take - this is the Transformation of the MIND, an internal process that is indeed wholly personal. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and something has to be abandoned.

Like I said above, this was more about one particular occasion you would feel highly called to do this (heart) and that your mind (intellectualizing) is your resistance toward it.

With how you are to make fruitful examples, I need the tables to be turned in a way which is much less intuitive. The point was still that you hear a call.

And again, the point is that the prostitute calls as well, you must let her go, because it is the compassionate thing to do.

When Ra spoke of their own 3D experience, they said that from a standpoint of wisdom they had an overabundance of love, which caused two positive wanderers to walk the STS path upon their world as to offer an alternative to those who did not fit on this strictly compassion mindset. To me that means that higher positive intent found focus upon the negative because it was what their world required most. It was not as they intended, but I still think it is the purity of their initial intent that lead them to serve as they did.

And, Ra had a relatively successful third density experience in spite of it all - they just came and muddled with ours in their eagerness to serve. Are you mad at them? Do you wish they hadn't?

About the fool, as I became more aware I started to perceive why I have been acting as I had up until now, the unconscious reasons to what I was doing. I saw some say that becoming aware for example is to let go of things like eating meat that only takes place because of being unaware, yet I think that becoming even more aware for those would be to become aware of the positive intent which set them to initially eat meat while wondering why it could have been seen as useful and valuable by the them which was most conscious.

Okay, yes, but what you are describing are what I would call 4th/5th density lessons, not 3rd/4th. The Fool isn't here to get wiser, the Fool is here to fall in love. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I mean, obviously you still have freedom to do what you please within all realms in the infinite creation, but the archetypical cycle is about the 3rd density experience of opening/denying the heart chakra - the Fool being Foolish and falling in love. Wanderers being foolish to come help aid the planet.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

While I get that I give tool of justification, I believe it is your duty (edit: fate, else it goes against my signature) to find justification to what others do, to allow yourself to see the underlying love in each and every of their action if you truly seek to find love within yourself. So while you can feel that you plunder in acting a certain way, I believe you will find more love within yourself by seeing that others do not truly ever plunder and that there is beauty in what they do always. Whatever we say, we speak of love and light and unity each time we speak of others.

Yes, again you speak of the "higher love" where no one is plundered because all wills are known. But in 3rd density, with the veil, and confusion, this isn't as easy as you make it sound. Wisdom doesn't help prevent plunder, compassion does.

Like I said in another thread, I believe each path is the shadow self/light self of the other path. As such STS is the hidden hypocrisy and selfishness of the STO path made apparent, just as STO is the hidden innocence and beauty of the STS path made apparent. None truly containing either any more than the other and I believe this does matter as I highly doubt your soul has an understanding of polarity at the level of 3D native and that to truly unveil yourself is to unveil that within yourself you most likely already are very aware of both polarities being a paradox and that you perhaps have already solved within yourself from before incarnating. And if this is so, then you can extend much further and deeper what it can mean for yourself to be loving in greater ways.

Sigh.... of course I understand these things, Minya. I've told you this. I'm not trying to talk about the greater love and the resolution of the paradox here in this thread, I'm talking about the archetype 6. I understand that there is no judgement, there is no real "bad", BUT, Ra gave us these tools to refine our consciousness with polarity in the context of 3rd density incarnation. You keep scoffing as if this is a meaningless exercise but I assure you the the whole of the archetypes are not a meaningless exercise to be learned nor are they yours to be rewritten on a whim. You are absolutely free to experience your own expression, but to act as if you are above the archetypical system of the Logos as offered by Ra seems quite lofty.

I have been doing nothing but attempt to discuss how we can learn to be more loving in greater ways, through the transformation of the mind. I do think that compassion and the STO path does lead to a higher/more balanced love but this is not the discussion I am attempting to engage in at this moment. It's about polarity.

I meant more that there is a point those quotes tells us to not seek love in how it has been romantizied by our poets and such.

By a child you mean the first one of the 3 figures that represent an elevation?

I don't think it was saying not to seek that love, but that there was a "greater love", the love you are talking about, the second distortion, the creative principle of Love. This is the balanced, non-judging, open, infinite love you are talking about, but again, I'm trying to talk about a slightly lesser but still applicable love, that of the green-ray.

That's an interesting way to describe it. I always saw the figures responding to the call of the trumpeter, and the child as the final one to emerge from the sarcophagus.

As I see things I have been working from the same quotes you did with different interpretations. l really don't know either why you feel like reducing courting/plundering to a polarized (positive/negative) relationship takes away everything the image seeks to teach.

It's not reducing it to polarity that I have a problem with in your interpretation, it's the fact that you deny that you must sacrifice certain actions for a transformation to occur, and you are telling me that BECAUSE I sacrifice actions I'm avoiding the transformation. You think the proper course to using the transformation is to give in to every whim of the High Priestess. I'm saying that the archetype says that you have to discern certain whims to stop feeding in to.

I also do not think you have taken many of the Ra quotes on this archetype into consideration, especially since you keep arguing with these words as if they were mine when they are not. I assure you, semantics mean much less to me than the average verbose forum poster. I am able to interchange other analogies/words, but they have to retain their meaning in the context of the original analogy. I'm not the one who can't work with Ra's analogy, so it's not up to me to rewrite the book (though I'm apparently trying).

It is also a bit frustrating to me when I ask you to discuss other concepts in the card to help elucidate the differences in our views and you say things like "I'll come back to that later." - Ra says the first step to learning the archetypes is to look at the symbols and decide what they mean to you, personally. You reject the symbols, so how have you practiced this study?

Where in this card does the symbolism say "This card isn't about polarity, it's about higher love" - a few have said the closed eyes of the male, but the fact is, eyes closed or not, the male cannot -move- without releasing a hand. I'm really curious to know what you think the triangles mean in the context of seeking unpolarized love, and the bound arms.

The "higher love" that you are speaking of, IMO, is represented by the Significator of the Spirit - there, there is one male and one female, holding hands, eyes open, looking at each other, with the sun behind them. No crossed arms, in fact, no desire to go anywhere but stay in their circle, gazing at each other. I think this is the card you are talking about/resonating with.

If I scratch a dog belly I don't think to myself that I am courting the dog... anyway...

Since courting seemed to be romanticized of a word, I thought the quotes I shared could be helpful in explaining why I think this word is not the best word to describe a loving focus upon others and interactions with them.

Here I would like to again note that it is not I that has extrapolated the concept of courting to mean "a means to an end that is literal sex". Of course you aren't trying to have sex with the dog, but you are showing it affection, compassion, adoration etc. These other words that I was using that you also seemed to have a problem with in associating with this card.