let me share this thought :
you are purposefully evading my argument that because those entities have switched polarity and went negative, they cannot be named STO wanderers. not to mention that, after melding with planetary vibrations and adapting to it, they lose numerous conditions that define a wanderer. ie, they have changed, they are not the same entities from before.
i wont be replying you on this, since you seem to be conveniently ignoring concepts if it suits your argument, and reiterate the same thing over and over again.
you are doing the same thing regarding polarization, higher densities, and harvests. you are dubbing anything that doesnt suit your viewpoint as 'unity information', and claiming that they contradict what's in the Ra material. however, actually you are either deliberately ignoring, or, have forgotten a lot of important information from that material, on the subject you are talking.
to prevent going in circular posts, i am going to directly jump to the point to remind you what the material you are referencing to says on this :
this is wrong :
1 - 6d and 4d harvests are a harvest of societal complex. noone can be harvested alone. no wanderer will be able to do anything on this planet, and then go get harvested into 5d or 7d, by themselves, UNLESS their 4d or 6d societal complex is ready for harvest. they have to go join their own societal complex, or any other 4d or 6d societal complex that is going through 4d or 6d harvest, to go through harvest.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#13
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#15
this is not 'unity's information. this is Law of One, densities and harvests, from Ra.
2 - A 4d or 6d societal complex requires a 4d or 6d harvests, and apparently, 4d cycles take 30 million years.
there is no such cycle coinciding with this time on this planet. it is doubtful that, 75,000 cycles on any planet would coincide with 30 million year cycles albeit rarely.
moreover, there is no 6d societal complexes or 4d societal complexes ready on this planet for harvest.
hence, a 4d or 6d harvest, cannot happen here. this closes down any kind of harvest possibility for entities ranging from 4d to end of 6d, ie, all the wanderer range incarnating on this planet now.
3 - Polarity is not a standard for higher density harvests.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...c=1&ss=1#6
which means, nomatter how hardly a 4d entity polarizes here, not only s/he wont be able to have any harvest because 4d harvest is a harvest of societal complex, so it will require a societal complex, and cant be done alone, but also not be relevant to his/her polarization.
Moreover, 5th density harvest apparently, has little to do with polarity. Before you have fit this in your mind as 'unity information' :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...c=1&ss=1#3
among these, the ONLY (so far, we dont know about 7d, 8d harvests) harvest requiring polarization, and can happen alone without requiring a society complex, is, third.
and it is happening now.
you are going and doing what you have been claiming i was doing. you are changing the material.
what harvest means, and how they happen, are clearly defined in the material you are speaking about, as above. what you say is contradicting this. you are inventing your own harvest concept. harvest != seeking its unique signature of light.
this is not a problem. however you are passing it as if it was in the Ra material, claiming it to be so.
it isnt. you have apparently forgotten some of the material you are speaking about. i cant think of any other explanation.
doesnt matter. polarization is not relevant to higher density harvests still. you cant just 'lose' it, since 3d work involves polarization. and what higher density work that can be done with polarization, still becomes irrelevant to higher density harvest, as you have apparently realized below.
these are irrelevant to subject at hand. how can an entity who is a part of societal memory complex can act as a single unit, is a different matter, harvestability requirements are a different matter.
however, suffice it to say that i dont think differentiations in between harmonized entities end, until end of 7d.
moreover, even if an entity is a part of societal complex, it can still act individually, just like how Ra explains if they chose to do a walk-in agreement with Carla, Carla would have been suspended in time/space for the duration of the incarnation, and the part of Ra that walked-in would act just like how Carla would and shoulder her karmic burden, in a totally irrelevant subject.
again, these are irrelevant.
council permissions are not relevant for wandering. in wandering, an entity incarnates just like a 3d entity. it goes through the veil of forgetting. it doesnt act as a member of a 6d society complex without forgetting.
basically an entity becomes a 3d entity expect its spiritual biases, preferences, core vibrations in its spirit, and its experiences, past kept in its roots of mind. penetrating the veil allows access to these, if they can do that.
i have given quotes about irrelevance of polarity to higher density harvest requirements. i wont do it again.
polarity is the power to do work. it would be needed only if it was lacking. it wouldnt provide harvest requirement to a higher density entity.
im getting the impression that you are just discussing for argument's sake. this may keep me from discussing with you.
you are deliberately ignoring the word ORIGINALLY in that sentence. moreover, for the sake of your argument, you are able to keep calling 2 entities which have gone to negative during an incarnation, STO wanderers.
an entity which becomes negatively polarized, and acts without love against other entities and serves self, loses its service to OTHERS status. that is because, it is serving its self. this doesnt even need an explanation, hence, you are giving me the impression that you are just arguing for argument's sake, and doing it as a sport.
there are no '6d wanderering requirements of harvest'. this is what you have just put forth, along with 'seeking unique signature of light' concept.
6d harvest is a society complex harvest, and cant be done. it doesnt matter where you wander, where you polarize, how much you polarize. 6d harvest will require a 6d society complex ready and going through a harvest.
harvesting isnt seeking signature of light. its your opinion. the harvest concept, before and after veil, are defined in the text i linked to.
what you speak of above couldnt happen in any way, because those entities wouldnt be able to achieve a 6d sts graduation, a 4d graduation, or a 5d graduation with the necessary conditions for harvest being on that planet.
the conditions are defined in the links i gave. those entities would go join the planets and society complexes meeting those conditions. and this is what they did. they have joined Ra for some time.
let me sum it up, since you seem to have a habit of skipping important concepts as you see fit :
- 3d harvest happens every 25,000 years (at least on this planet). this is a cycle.
- 4d harvest for example, happens every 30,000,000 years.
- 4d harvest is a society complex one. 6d harvest is also a society complex one. these harvests CANNOT happen alone, nomatter what.
- 5 harvest has 'little to do with polarity'. this is what Ra says. no amount of polarization in 3d would allow an entity to be harvested into 5d on that criteria.
- noone would be able to get harvested into 5d without being a member of a 4d society complex, and that society complex, entirety of it, going through harvest and graduating.
- same goes for 6d harvest.
- harvest is not 'seeking your unique signature of light'. the requirements are defined as in the above, and in the densities section you can find from Law of One. there is no such unique signature of light concept.
- the only thing that can be remotely similar to your OWN harvest concept, is pre-veil harvest method of steps of light, to see where the entity stops. this is irrelevant in a veiled planet, post veil. its not the harvest method happening here.
these are all from Ra material.
the material says, it requires a 6d society complex to be harvested into 6d. since you dont have a society complex going to 6d harvest here, you cannot harvest any 6d entity. its simple as that. same goes for 4d entities.
moreover, the harvest cycles do not coincide. there is no 'one size fits all' 'harvest' for all densities. all densities have their own harvests.
this, what happening here is, 3d harvest. there are no other kind of harvests happening here.
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apart from that, i am getting the impression that you are debating more for argument's sake, than to share anything or think together. this is the reason, i believe, that you are selectively ignoring things that do not fit your argument or perspective. in this particular post i replied to, you first have seen the concept of society complex requirement for some harvests, and acknowledged it, and then ignored it, trying to circumvent it through other means, with council permission, and whether an entity could act as a single unit if it was a member of a society complex. permissions were irrelevant since it was a normal incarnation, you either didnt know this, or, again, deliberately ignored it, or, forgot it. since all 6d wanderers need to be parts of society complexes, and there are 6d entities already wandering into 3d planets for a long time now, and 6d graduation requirement STILL requiring society complex harvest, apparently society complex members are able to act as if individual units. this doesnt even necessitate discussion. yet you threw this as an argument.
when debating such a detailed thing, one would expect the person debating it to know about what s/he is debating about, and talk on that basis. yet, you are either deliberately ignoring very important concepts regarding the subject when you see the need, or, have forgotten them.
'you are good. you are very good' and all that .... its as if you are doing a fencing game and appreciating your opponent's quick reflexes or something, than doing an information exchange or think together. i neither appreciate, nor like any of that. its counter productive and unfruitful.
you are purposefully evading my argument that because those entities have switched polarity and went negative, they cannot be named STO wanderers. not to mention that, after melding with planetary vibrations and adapting to it, they lose numerous conditions that define a wanderer. ie, they have changed, they are not the same entities from before.
i wont be replying you on this, since you seem to be conveniently ignoring concepts if it suits your argument, and reiterate the same thing over and over again.
you are doing the same thing regarding polarization, higher densities, and harvests. you are dubbing anything that doesnt suit your viewpoint as 'unity information', and claiming that they contradict what's in the Ra material. however, actually you are either deliberately ignoring, or, have forgotten a lot of important information from that material, on the subject you are talking.
to prevent going in circular posts, i am going to directly jump to the point to remind you what the material you are referencing to says on this :
Quote:I remain confused unity. I rather assumed the 6D wander wandered for a purpose, which most certainly was not to return to its exact home density, but in fact to HARVEST to a newer and higher etiolated density? In short, you insist that when a wanderer dies which hasn't changed its sto polarity, that it will return to its exact home density. One would hope that the 6D wanderer will never return to its exact home density, from which it wandered from given its primary purpose was to POLARIZE TO HIGHER ETIOLATED DENSITIES. thus necessitating a HARVEST to increase to a higher, if not sadly to a lower density. It runs the risk of always depolarizing a wee bit, to a great deal, or hopefully better yet increasing its HARVEST capacity a wee bit to a great deal more,such that it may even go to 7D, any of which would require a HARVEST, and almost certainly never returning to exactly where it originated from, thus necessitating a HARVEST to get to its newer density, whether greater or lessor.
this is wrong :
1 - 6d and 4d harvests are a harvest of societal complex. noone can be harvested alone. no wanderer will be able to do anything on this planet, and then go get harvested into 5d or 7d, by themselves, UNLESS their 4d or 6d societal complex is ready for harvest. they have to go join their own societal complex, or any other 4d or 6d societal complex that is going through 4d or 6d harvest, to go through harvest.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#13
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#15
this is not 'unity's information. this is Law of One, densities and harvests, from Ra.
2 - A 4d or 6d societal complex requires a 4d or 6d harvests, and apparently, 4d cycles take 30 million years.
there is no such cycle coinciding with this time on this planet. it is doubtful that, 75,000 cycles on any planet would coincide with 30 million year cycles albeit rarely.
moreover, there is no 6d societal complexes or 4d societal complexes ready on this planet for harvest.
hence, a 4d or 6d harvest, cannot happen here. this closes down any kind of harvest possibility for entities ranging from 4d to end of 6d, ie, all the wanderer range incarnating on this planet now.
3 - Polarity is not a standard for higher density harvests.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...c=1&ss=1#6
Quote:47.6 Questioner: What I was actually asking was if 50% is required for graduation from third to fourth in the positive sense and 95% was required for graduation in the negative sense, does this have to more closely approach 100% for graduation in both cases for graduation from fourth to fifth density? Does an entity have to be 99% polarized for negative and maybe 80% polarized positive for graduation?
Ra: I am Ra. We perceive the query now.
To give this in your terms is misleading for there are, shall we say, visual aids or training aids available in fourth density which automatically aid the entity in polarization while cutting down extremely upon the quick effect of catalyst. Thus the density above yours must take up more space/time.
The percentage of service-to-others of positively oriented entities will harmoniously approach 98% in intention. The qualifications for fifth density, however, involve understanding. This then, becomes the primary qualification for graduation from fourth to fifth density. To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception. It may be measured by light. The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting.
which means, nomatter how hardly a 4d entity polarizes here, not only s/he wont be able to have any harvest because 4d harvest is a harvest of societal complex, so it will require a societal complex, and cant be done alone, but also not be relevant to his/her polarization.
Moreover, 5th density harvest apparently, has little to do with polarity. Before you have fit this in your mind as 'unity information' :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...c=1&ss=1#3
Quote:71.3 Questioner: This would probably be possible in the higher densities such as the fifth-density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. In fifth-density harvest, polarization has very little do to with harvestability.
among these, the ONLY (so far, we dont know about 7d, 8d harvests) harvest requiring polarization, and can happen alone without requiring a society complex, is, third.
and it is happening now.
Quote:YEP. Thatsa a whata I beena tryin to say...this based entirely on the Material versus your speculation to the contrary, and this so for any entity in question which necessitates its requirement to find its new signature of light vibration which almost certainly has risen, less sadly it has failed by decreasing, both which require a HARVEST. This definition is the definition of HARVEST = seeking its unique signature of light. This may bar your dilemma as regards any need for polarization wherein your confusion lies.
you are going and doing what you have been claiming i was doing. you are changing the material.
what harvest means, and how they happen, are clearly defined in the material you are speaking about, as above. what you say is contradicting this. you are inventing your own harvest concept. harvest != seeking its unique signature of light.
this is not a problem. however you are passing it as if it was in the Ra material, claiming it to be so.
it isnt. you have apparently forgotten some of the material you are speaking about. i cant think of any other explanation.
Quote:Loose the word polarization. Its standing in your way. An entity seeking its correspondent signature of light may be seen more clearly as a definition of HARVEST. Polarizations are not Harvests, albeit polarization encompasses same in 3D.
Your good. Your very good. <----This is me being sincere Idea This is where I salute you as regards your ability to stretch concepts within the material, but only if you stay within the material. Credit where credit is due. This might be a wonderful separate thread to consider.
doesnt matter. polarization is not relevant to higher density harvests still. you cant just 'lose' it, since 3d work involves polarization. and what higher density work that can be done with polarization, still becomes irrelevant to higher density harvest, as you have apparently realized below.
Quote:1. If a wanderer is of a Social Memory Complex, how then does a single unit of a said Social Memory Complex break away by individuating itself to come as a single soul of one in a single body within 3D. My guess is it seeks the Council's permission.
2. If it is able to seeks council's permission to wander as a single unit, may that single unit also then as a single unit surpass its previous Social Memory Complex to join a higher Social Memory Complex. It seems the answer is as self evident given the Ra quote that states wanderers wander to increase their polarity to achieve higher etiolated densities.
Guess we might not have to create the thread after all?
these are irrelevant to subject at hand. how can an entity who is a part of societal memory complex can act as a single unit, is a different matter, harvestability requirements are a different matter.
however, suffice it to say that i dont think differentiations in between harmonized entities end, until end of 7d.
moreover, even if an entity is a part of societal complex, it can still act individually, just like how Ra explains if they chose to do a walk-in agreement with Carla, Carla would have been suspended in time/space for the duration of the incarnation, and the part of Ra that walked-in would act just like how Carla would and shoulder her karmic burden, in a totally irrelevant subject.
again, these are irrelevant.
council permissions are not relevant for wandering. in wandering, an entity incarnates just like a 3d entity. it goes through the veil of forgetting. it doesnt act as a member of a 6d society complex without forgetting.
basically an entity becomes a 3d entity expect its spiritual biases, preferences, core vibrations in its spirit, and its experiences, past kept in its roots of mind. penetrating the veil allows access to these, if they can do that.
i have given quotes about irrelevance of polarity to higher density harvest requirements. i wont do it again.
Quote:Presumably Wanders seek polarity in 3D to increase their opportunities in seeking higher etiolated densities. Presumably in the higher densities where polarity is either non-existent or weak, it takes far longer to Harvest as a result. Thus 3D is a wonderful opportunity, if not in fact the only game in town, for these overachievers in higher density who have the character and makeup of gamblers and investors who are willing to play for higher stakes in the card game, i.e. win or loose, step right up, take your chances on lucky number 3 ladies and gentlemen.
polarity is the power to do work. it would be needed only if it was lacking. it wouldnt provide harvest requirement to a higher density entity.
Quote:I'm confused again. Now they are Wanderers. You stated implicitly they weren't. Your position is wandering
So Ra is communicating to us for conversation sakes? Do I sense me attempting to bring levity into the dialog once more through factitiousness?
im getting the impression that you are just discussing for argument's sake. this may keep me from discussing with you.
you are deliberately ignoring the word ORIGINALLY in that sentence. moreover, for the sake of your argument, you are able to keep calling 2 entities which have gone to negative during an incarnation, STO wanderers.
an entity which becomes negatively polarized, and acts without love against other entities and serves self, loses its service to OTHERS status. that is because, it is serving its self. this doesnt even need an explanation, hence, you are giving me the impression that you are just arguing for argument's sake, and doing it as a sport.
Quote:We return to the LOu (law of unity) versus the LOO. Certainly it is self evident that STS is not STO anymore, and that neither is black white (less we speak of either STS being STO or black being white as regards your definition of INFINITY....o-o-o-p-s...that's another thread.) You have changed the game once again. We are not discussing STO vs STS. We are discussing 6D Wanderering requirements of HARVEST. Had the 5D STO wanderers in question polarized so much that they effectively made it higher to STS lower 6D, they would have needed to seek their signature light in any event, meaning they would have needed to HARVEST to do so. They then would simply have been called STO wanderes nonetheless who wandered into 3D who graduated through HARVEST into low 6D STS. Nothing has changed.
there are no '6d wanderering requirements of harvest'. this is what you have just put forth, along with 'seeking unique signature of light' concept.
6d harvest is a society complex harvest, and cant be done. it doesnt matter where you wander, where you polarize, how much you polarize. 6d harvest will require a 6d society complex ready and going through a harvest.
Quote:Your point does brings up another interesting conundrum however: If our 5D STO wandering friends wandered into 3D, and became so lost but fortunate as to achieve a mid STS 6D graduation status into STS (by way of Harvesting = signature of light) would they have retreated in their positions, i.e. go backwards to 5D STO only to attempt to get to mid 6th STO by the least expeditious path, given they were already there, or shaken off the disconcreted-ness they no doubt would have discovered in any event, and then gone merrily about their STS ways anyway. Seems the answer also is almost as self evident. One probably doesn't throw away a lottery jackpot win in any density.
harvesting isnt seeking signature of light. its your opinion. the harvest concept, before and after veil, are defined in the text i linked to.
what you speak of above couldnt happen in any way, because those entities wouldnt be able to achieve a 6d sts graduation, a 4d graduation, or a 5d graduation with the necessary conditions for harvest being on that planet.
the conditions are defined in the links i gave. those entities would go join the planets and society complexes meeting those conditions. and this is what they did. they have joined Ra for some time.
let me sum it up, since you seem to have a habit of skipping important concepts as you see fit :
- 3d harvest happens every 25,000 years (at least on this planet). this is a cycle.
- 4d harvest for example, happens every 30,000,000 years.
- 4d harvest is a society complex one. 6d harvest is also a society complex one. these harvests CANNOT happen alone, nomatter what.
- 5 harvest has 'little to do with polarity'. this is what Ra says. no amount of polarization in 3d would allow an entity to be harvested into 5d on that criteria.
- noone would be able to get harvested into 5d without being a member of a 4d society complex, and that society complex, entirety of it, going through harvest and graduating.
- same goes for 6d harvest.
- harvest is not 'seeking your unique signature of light'. the requirements are defined as in the above, and in the densities section you can find from Law of One. there is no such unique signature of light concept.
- the only thing that can be remotely similar to your OWN harvest concept, is pre-veil harvest method of steps of light, to see where the entity stops. this is irrelevant in a veiled planet, post veil. its not the harvest method happening here.
these are all from Ra material.
Quote:I think your right. It doesn't need to be debated anymore. That they are stuck and not wandering anymore was never the point. You stated that as a result of their failure that they never were wanderers to begin with, and just above that calling them wanderers is more for conversation's sake, in spite of Ra stating otherwise. But your wandering again. The point was do 6D Wanderers Harvest. You've been insistent they do not. The answer however seems more than self evident by means of the Material and by virtue of Ra. 6D, 2D, 4D, aliens, 1D, 7D, 4D, wanderers, 8D, non-wanderers, 3D, all gods childens needs ta harvest, i.e. find their signature of light in order to graduate. This is HARVEST. This is the point.
the material says, it requires a 6d society complex to be harvested into 6d. since you dont have a society complex going to 6d harvest here, you cannot harvest any 6d entity. its simple as that. same goes for 4d entities.
moreover, the harvest cycles do not coincide. there is no 'one size fits all' 'harvest' for all densities. all densities have their own harvests.
this, what happening here is, 3d harvest. there are no other kind of harvests happening here.
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apart from that, i am getting the impression that you are debating more for argument's sake, than to share anything or think together. this is the reason, i believe, that you are selectively ignoring things that do not fit your argument or perspective. in this particular post i replied to, you first have seen the concept of society complex requirement for some harvests, and acknowledged it, and then ignored it, trying to circumvent it through other means, with council permission, and whether an entity could act as a single unit if it was a member of a society complex. permissions were irrelevant since it was a normal incarnation, you either didnt know this, or, again, deliberately ignored it, or, forgot it. since all 6d wanderers need to be parts of society complexes, and there are 6d entities already wandering into 3d planets for a long time now, and 6d graduation requirement STILL requiring society complex harvest, apparently society complex members are able to act as if individual units. this doesnt even necessitate discussion. yet you threw this as an argument.
when debating such a detailed thing, one would expect the person debating it to know about what s/he is debating about, and talk on that basis. yet, you are either deliberately ignoring very important concepts regarding the subject when you see the need, or, have forgotten them.
'you are good. you are very good' and all that .... its as if you are doing a fencing game and appreciating your opponent's quick reflexes or something, than doing an information exchange or think together. i neither appreciate, nor like any of that. its counter productive and unfruitful.