6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[Quantum]

OK....really honestly truly for real, we have to quite meeting like this. This has to be our last date on this matter. Out of respect to our relationship however, I will take your call one last time on the subject and try. Its time for me to start seeing other people though. Having the last word changes nothing with respect to my decision....or the material <------that's me adding brevity again.

Your changing the hypothetical question, as well as the channeled reading of the two 5D STO wanderers by answering a different question, and with an answer which by logic and the Ra quotes must be incorrect no less. It makes no sense. Will you allow me to show you why?

this doesnt change anything in channeled material. neither it does answer a different question.

Your answers do change the channeled material unity, very very much, and they most certainly do so quite profoundly. Its not the first time. You are benefiting all of us here at B4th by being so kind as to make corrections for Ra as well as the LOO Material by suggesting that the 5D wanders who wandered, who Ra said wandered, were not wanderers. It is glarringly obvious that this changes the material. Who are we to believe? Were I to point out each such statement you have made in various posts of the past, I would be accused of offering a summation of your views. This single one here is enough to suffice as a mirror for the moment.

But back to the thought experiment question as a teaser to prelude first: in this hypothetical thought experiment, what happens to our two 5D STO Wanderers who Wander into 3D, and who although haven't changed their positive polarity at deaths door, have nonetheless accidentally reduced it? But they didn't reduce it enough to remain stuck in 3D. Rather than our two friends who accidentally went negative and therefore graduate into 4D negative, these two graduate positive and do so by ending up in 4D positive. How did they get from 3D to 4D other than by Harvesting? Did they just defy the process and will themselves there? If the truth is the truth in pattern, the question is not just a hypothetical. It would operate under the same principle. The LOO texts are easily able to answer this through the harvest answer. This is a prelude and foundation to what must be the truer answer imho as you will see.

that we cannot exactly know.

The pattern is the same for graduation and polarization irrespective of negative or positive, this as given by Ra. It seems reasonable to conclude that we can know. It certainly seems more reasonable to utilize verbatim the Ra material as a means of knowing, more than what you propose by changing it to know.

however, if 6d entities are taken as examples, when they die, they will go to their formmaker body, which is 6d astral body, and be in their natural habitat. their spiritual biases would become evident.

Again, you are changing the point. What was proposed by you is that 6D returns to 6D WITHOUT HARVEST. Lets keep our eye on the ball. This is what is being discussed. Nothing else. I offered as an explanation directly out of the texts that this assumption must be incorrect. I offered same by way of the Ra quote. The quote was:

52.9: The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

My response was:

How do you propose that the 6D wanderer in question finds its newer home density "in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst," which was in fact one of its primary purposes for having wandered into 3D to begin with, if it does not undergo the same HARVEST process to the new etiolated density it sought to achieve?

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I remain confused unity. I rather assumed the 6D wander wandered for a purpose, which most certainly was not to return to its exact home density, but in fact to HARVEST to a newer and higher etiolated density? In short, you insist that when a wanderer dies which hasn't changed its sto polarity, that it will return to its exact home density. One would hope that the 6D wanderer will never return to its exact home density, from which it wandered from given its primary purpose was to POLARIZE TO HIGHER ETIOLATED DENSITIES. thus necessitating a HARVEST to increase to a higher, if not sadly to a lower density. It runs the risk of always depolarizing a wee bit, to a great deal, or hopefully better yet increasing its HARVEST capacity a wee bit to a great deal more,such that it may even go to 7D, any of which would require a HARVEST, and almost certainly never returning to exactly where it originated from, thus necessitating a HARVEST to get to its newer density, whether greater or lessor.

with your logic, every kind of polarity reduction in the significator would require a harvest.
that includes any kind of extraterrestrial/alien activity, in which entities lower their frequency to 3d levels, or 4d levels, or any other kind of low vibration, and accidentally lose any polarity

YEP. Thatsa a whata I beena tryin to say...this based entirely on the Material versus your speculation to the contrary, and this so for any entity in question which necessitates its requirement to find its new signature of light vibration which almost certainly has risen, less sadly it has failed by decreasing, both which require a HARVEST. This definition is the definition of HARVEST = seeking its unique signature of light. This may bar your dilemma as regards any need for polarization wherein your confusion lies.

you are missing a lot of important details from Ra material, and therefore the above approach comes up irrelevant.
there is no direct link in between polarization, and 'harvest'. each density has their own standards for harvest. polarization is a standard of 3d harvest.
polarization is not a required standard for graduating from any density but, 3rd. 4d graduation doesnt happen by polarity, regardless of how extremely entities are polarized. similarly, 5d density graduation also doesnt require polarization.

Loose the word polarization. Its standing in your way. An entity seeking its correspondent signature of light may be seen more clearly as a definition of HARVEST. Polarizations are not Harvests, albeit polarization encompasses same in 3D.

moreover, you can NOT harvest 4d entities individually. 4d harvest is a society complex harvest. so is 6d harvest. therefore, you cannot subject any higher density entity into a harvest, alone, after 3d incarnation. because, you would have to subject entire society complex it belongs to, to the harvest.

Your good. Your very good. <----This is me being sincere :idea: This is where I salute you as regards your ability to stretch concepts within the material, but only if you stay within the material. Credit where credit is due. This might be a wonderful separate thread to consider.
1. If a wanderer is of a SMC, how then does a single unit of a said SMC break away by individuating itself to come as a single soul of one in a single body within 3D. My guess is it seeks the Council's permission.
2. If it is able to seeks council's permission to wander as a single unit, may that single unit also then as a single unit surpass its previous SMC to join a higher SMC. It seems the answer is as self evident given the Ra quote that states wanderers wander to increase their polarity to achieve higher etiolated densities.
Guess we might not have to create the thread after all?

exception may be 5d, since 5d entities may continue as societal complexes or individuals. however, polarity is still not a criteria for 5d graduation.

Presumably Wanders seek polarity in 3D to increase their opportunities in seeking higher etiolated densities. Presumably in the higher densities where polarity is either non-existent or weak, it takes far longer to Harvest as a result. Thus 3D is a wonderful opportunity, if not in fact the only game in town, for these overachievers in higher density who have the character and makeup of gamblers and investors who are willing to play for higher stakes in the card game, i.e. win or loose, step right up, take your chances on lucky number 3 ladies and gentlemen.

the entities who incarnated from 5d as sto wanderers, were originally wanderers.

I'm confused again. Now they are Wanderers. You stated implicitly they weren't. Your position is wandering

it is understandable and normal to identify them as such for the sake of conversation.

So Ra is communicating to us for conversation sakes? Do I sense me attempting to bring levity into the dialog once more through factitiousness?

yet, when they melded their vibrations and spirits with the planet they have incarnated into, they became 3d entities like of that planet. when they negatively polarized to 4d, you cannot call them STO wanderers anymore. refuting is not needed, it doesnt require too much effort to understand that when someone goes sts, s/he is not sto anymore, and cannot be called a STO wanderer at that point.

We return to the LOu (law of unity) versus the LOO. Certainly it is self evident that STS is not STO anymore, and that neither is black white (less we speak of either STS being STO or black being white as regards your definition of INFINITY....o-o-o-p-s...that's another thread.) You have changed the game once again. We are not discussing STO vs STS. We are discussing 6D Wanderering requirements of HARVEST. Had the 5D STO wanderers in question polarized so much that they effectively made it higher to STS lower 6D, they would have needed to seek their signature light in any event, meaning they would have needed to HARVEST to do so. They then would simply have been called STO wanderes nonetheless who wandered into 3D who graduated through HARVEST into low 6D STS. Nothing has changed.
Once I was an American. I wandered to Germany. I became amnesiac as a result of the water. I melded into the culture, walked like a German, spoke like a German, ate like a German, even earned wages like a German, etc. I insisted I was German. The American Counselate, the IRS, and my family insisted otherwise. I am still American. Likewise the wanderer needs only to remember...and puff... he may return to a higher or lower density through the process of establishing its signature of light through HARVEST to return either to a higher or lower etiolated density. They're still American...I mean wanderers, versus the failed wanderers they were for having gone 4D negative as a result of having hailed from 5D STO.

BTW unity: May I ask, if it is not too intrusive, if English is your original language? I know more than a little of mastering two languages and the difficulties inherent therein. You see...I spoke German, was born in Great Britain and wandered to America, whose mother is German, and whose father is Swiss, and born into a family in which every single member of the family is born in a different country. I suspect your not American. It would clear up much as regards the syntax of your grammar as well as possibly the manner in which you understand certain phrases. Assuming you are not American, did you read the LOO in your native tongue?

Your point does brings up another interesting conundrum however: If our 5D STO wandering friends wandered into 3D, and became so lost but fortunate as to achieve a mid STS 6D graduation status into STS (by way of Harvesting = signature of light) would they have retreated in their positions, i.e. go backwards to 5D STO only to attempt to get to mid 6th STO by the least expeditious path, given they were already there, or shaken off the disconcreted-ness they no doubt would have discovered in any event, and then gone merrily about their STS ways anyway. Seems the answer also is almost as self evident. One probably doesn't throw away a lottery jackpot win in any density.

then these entities have changed polarity again, and joined Ra in positive 4d. now, are these entities 5d sto wanderers ? no. because 'wandering' concept is not found in 4d, since there is no veil and forgetting, they are not wanderers anymore. they are 4d entities at that point.
i dont think this even needs being debated.

I think your right. It doesn't need to be debated anymore. That they are stuck and not wandering anymore was never the point. You stated that as a result of their failure that they never were wanderers to begin with, and just above that calling them wanderers is more for conversation's sake, in spite of Ra stating otherwise. But your wandering again. The point was do 6D Wanderers Harvest. You've been insistent they do not. The answer however seems more than self evident by means of the Material and by virtue of Ra. 6D, 2D, 4D, aliens, 1D, 7D, 4D, wanderers, 8D, non-wanderers, 3D, all gods childens needs ta harvest, i.e. find their signature of light in order to graduate. This is HARVEST. This is the point.

Ra: Those who, finishing a cycle of experience,demonstrate various grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes. This process is guarded or watched by those nurturing beings who, being very close to the Law of One in their distortions, nevertheless have the distortion towards active service.

Thus, the illusion is created of light, or more properly but less understandably, light/love. This is in varying degrees of intensity.The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops.



This is HARVEST. To repeat it again would be fruitless if not repetitious. The readers must decide what is otherwise as glaring and as self-evident in the material.

The weather is fantastic now in Florida which is the very reason the snowbird tourists begin their annual migration here flocking to our shores from all over the world. The beach awaits me in Sarasota, as does my beautiful lady.

Ciao unity. Yours in Love and Light...as well as in humor, or my humble attempts thereof,

~ Q ~



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Thus, the illusion is created of light, or more properly but less understandhttp light/love. This is in varying degrees of intensity. The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops.