10-02-2010, 09:51 AM
(10-01-2010, 08:30 PM)thefool Wrote: But I think that a socialist systems tries to ignore this fact and tries to make everybody and everything equal. They don't trust in the people's abilities to make sound choices for them. They know more than the uneducated people and would rather do the choosing for them. This creates a ruling elite in the government that controls all the resources and means to distribute them. The corrupt manipulative STS elites are naturally attracted towards these top government positions and create a strong hold on them. They try this centralized command and control planning with people having very little say about their lives. Does it not sound like STS hierarchy...
Your understanding of the concept socialism, is apparently biased with rather right wing indoctrination of the cold war era western world.
equality and choice are irrelevant. equality means equal rights, equal status. supposedly, it is the thing that is purportedly provided in western regimes, but, somehow, noone has any equal rights or power to anything. its just in naming.
in the logic of socialism, you would still make your choice, what job to do, where to do, who to marry, what to eat, what not to eat. yet, your opportunities and rights to making those choices and using them would be equal with anybody else.
all the other things you speak of, ie 'educated making choices for uneducated', centralized governments and totalitarian regimes and whatnot, are relevant to the eastern bloc history on this planet, and the methods they employed.
these are not relevant to socialism or any political idea. these regions have always been repressive culturally throughout history. back in 3000 bc they were raiders with a patriarchal repressive brutal society, when christianity came they turned into authoritarian regimes with feudalism, when revolution came they turned into repressive authoritarianism, when 'democracy' came they turned into presidential dictatorships with mafia.
however, because these countries were the ones to try out socialism first, their history is translated as socialism and left history.
on the other hand there are countries like sweden, who are not socialist in naming, but has been employing socialist practices to extreme since 60 years. there is whole a lot of different history there.
not surprisingly the situation was similarly different throughout that region's cultural history. women and men were equal in pre-christianity, and everyone was free, when serfdom came, it almost havent come, so that you couldnt tell who was serf who was the lord, when christianity and its repression in middle ages came, one of the most traded products in that region was still bras that supported women's breasts, so much that one can understand that the repression against women didnt take hold in there at all, they were one of the first to incorporate the new ideals of freedom, and in 20th century that trend continued.
so, the concepts you speak of, are, apparently not relevant to the system or the thought, but culture.
Quote:Anyways, going back to the original topic- No body knows for sure but I imaging 4d+ it is more like a system of self governing entities working together on the spur of the moment. And the overall pictures just emerges organically out of their actions. Their is no central planning commission guiding everybody or taking mental polls...
and what if, in the spur of the moment, in 4d, i decide to experiment with a fusion reactor that can blow the entire planet off ...