6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[unity100]

Your changing the hypothetical question, as well as the channeled reading of the two 5D STO wanderers by answering a different question, and with an answer which by logic and the Ra quotes must be incorrect no less. It makes no sense. Will you allow me to show you why?

this doesnt change anything in channeled material. neither it does answer a different question.

But back to the thought experiment question as a teaser to prelude first: in this hypothetical thought experiment, what happens to our two 5D STO Wanderers who Wander into 3D, and who although haven't changed their positive polarity at deaths door, have nonetheless accidentally reduced it? But they didn't reduce it enough to remain stuck in 3D. Rather than our two friends who accidentally went negative and therefore graduate into 4D negative, these two graduate positive and do so by ending up in 4D positive. How did they get from 3D to 4D other than by Harvesting? Did they just defy the process and will themselves there? If the truth is the truth in pattern, the question is not just a hypothetical. It would operate under the same principle. The LOO texts are easily able to answer this through the harvest answer. This is a prelude and foundation to what must be the truer answer imho as you will see.

that we cannot exactly know.

however, if 6d entities are taken as examples, when they die, they will go to their formmaker body, which is 6d astral body, and be in their natural habitat. their spiritual biases would become evident.

with your logic, every kind of polarity reduction in the significator would require a harvest.

that includes any kind of extraterrestrial/alien activity, in which entities lower their frequency to 3d levels, or 4d levels, or any other kind of low vibration, and accidentally lose any polarity.

But this is not the question. The question is what would happen in the same case but without going in the other direction. How would they get to 4D positive from 3D positive but through harvesting?

we do not know this, we can only speculate.

Discourse is good. Now we're presumably only left with two special conundrums of (1) Wanderers on death return to their home density, but do so by not getting harvested, and (2) the new conundrum that has suddenly surfaced that wanderers from 5D, and if who screw up, are not wanderers by your statement, but if they don't screw up, are? This little jump in logic presumably also holds true for 6D as well, i.e. if they screw up they weren't really wanderers either, in spite of the fact that Ra said they were. Who are we to believe in both cases? Am I clear so far?

And here is the crux demonstrated once more upon which the axis of your logic turns: Lets see if we may run it through the filter to see what shakes out. Ra seeks harvest from sixth density to seventh, but 6D wanderers do not get re-harvested in order to return to home density, but seemingly just return home nonetheless without the need to settle into the light most suitable for them, which is the definition of harvest. Lets break it down into sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub, ad nauseum, densities of 6th home density from which the wanderer in question came from. Surely if said wanderer de-polaorized, even in infinitesimal factions thereof, it would need to find its new sub-density to the billionth fraction of the new sub-density in order to return to 6D. How do you propose our friend the wanderer accomplishes this but through a harvest of stopping at its most suitable light but through a harvest?

you are missing a lot of important details from Ra material, and therefore the above approach comes up irrelevant.

there is no direct link in between polarization, and 'harvest'. each density has their own standards for harvest. polarization is a standard of 3d harvest.

polarization is not a required standard for graduating from any density but, 3rd. 4d graduation doesnt happen by polarity, regardless of how extremely entities are polarized. similarly, 5d density graduation also doesnt require polarization.

core vibrations matter outside 3rd density. so, if an entity's core, spiritual vibrations are of 5d, regardless of s/he is less polarized or not, as long as it keeps its own spiritual nature, it will be a 5d entity.

moreover, you can NOT harvest 4d entities individually. 4d harvest is a society complex harvest. so is 6d harvest. therefore, you cannot subject any higher density entity into a harvest, alone, after 3d incarnation. because, you would have to subject entire society complex it belongs to, to the harvest.

exception may be 5d, since 5d entities may continue as societal complexes or individuals. however, polarity is still not a criteria for 5d graduation.

that takes away any kind of harvest concept for wanderers which have not changed in their core, spiritual biases and vibrations.

polarization is a requirement that came into being for 3d harvests after the usage of veil, and in the logoi that employ the veil.

How do you propose that the 6D wanderer in question finds its newer home density "in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst," which was in fact one of its primary purposes for having wandered into 3D to begin with, if it does not undergo the same harvest process to the new etiolated density it sought to achieve?

I remain confused unity. I rather assumed the 6D wander wandered for a purpose, which most certainly was not to return to its home density, but to polarize to a newer and higher etiolated density? In short, you insist that when a wanderer dies which hasn't changed its polarity, that it will return to its home density. One would hope that the 6D wanderer would never return to its home density. It runs the risk of always depolarizing a wee bit to a great deal, or hopefully better yet increasing its polarity a wee bit to a great deal more, but almost certainly never returning to where it originated from, thus necessitating a HARVEST to get to its newer density, whether greater or lessor.

you remain confused, because you are forgetting important bits of information from the material.

polarization, is the potential to do work. it is desirable in that, it would allow the entity to do more work.

polarization, however, is not relevant to entity's density. you can be 95% polarized, or 99% polarized while graduating from 4d, as a society complex. yet, you may not be able to graduate with 99% polarization, if your society complex is not ready to start understanding the 'dance', and walk the path of wisdom. ie 'the ability to accept and use the light'.

at which point I hope your question would be moot, for Ra having been correct.

the entities who incarnated from 5d as sto wanderers, were originally wanderers. it is understandable and normal to identify them as such for the sake of conversation. yet, when they melded their vibrations and spirits with the planet they have incarnated into, they became 3d entities like of that planet. when they negatively polarized to 4d, you cannot call them STO wanderers anymore. refuting is not needed, it doesnt require too much effort to understand that when someone goes sts, s/he is not sto anymore, and cannot be called a STO wanderer at that point.

then these entities went on to a negative harvest, and became 4d negative entities.

can one call them 5d sto wanderers at this point ? they are in 4d, they are sts. you cannot.

then these entities have changed polarity again, and joined Ra in positive 4d. now, are these entities 5d sto wanderers ? no. because 'wandering' concept is not found in 4d, since there is no veil and forgetting, they are not wanderers anymore. they are 4d entities at that point.

i dont think this even needs being debated.