2nd LOO Question: Creation

[Quantum]

Nothing of graduation or the mechanics thereof of any density are known to us in any detail whatsoever. We are all, by design no less, shooting in the dark. The mechanics of 6D like 1D are as completely unknown to us therefore in any greater detail whatsoever. Ra in fact spoke very little with respect to detail, inclusive of 6D and all other densities, and what they did speak of was at best in vagaries. Ra spoke at most to 3D in greatest detail as would be expected at best. If we are as sorely ignorant about our own sweet home turf of 3D, which is our better ground for theorizing (guessing), then we are clearly more lost as regards ALL other densities above us, as we are below us. All is clouded, shrouded, withheld, and a mystery with intent.

there are conflicting statements in above block.
first, you say that we dont know mechanics of graduation of any density, yet then you say that Ra spoke at length about 3d graduation.

You misread the entire meaning. What was said was: we know nothing of detailed mechanics of any density, as I stated, inclusive of our own 3D in detail, as I stated, other than generalities that Ra spoke to, most of which (and certainly not in detail) were with respect to our own 3D in greatest detail, as I stated. This was a simple response to your previous post above wherein you state "the mechanics of 1d graduation is not known to us in detail, so we cant be sure. if its (1D) anything like 6d graduation all elements constituting a certain spirit collective would need to graduate."

in any case, we do know the mechanics and requirements of graduation from various densities.

Do we enough so in detail so as to address them, other than imagine them in sweeping vagaries and generalities versus even far more broader generalities heaped upon these? Thus we are reduced to speculations at best, and in the dark no less. 3D is difficult enough to discuss. All other densities are beyond our grasp, given we have our hands more than enough full within our own 3rd Density in this lifetime.

Having made the disclaimer therefore, one might be better served to imagine that 1D is nothing at all like 6D in the following respect as regards your statement "if its (1D) anything like 6d graduation all elements constituting a certain spirit collective would need to graduate": by your vernacular of "a certain spirit collective" I assume you to interpretively mean, speaking by Ra's vernacular, "a Social Memory Complex." It seems logical to infer that 1D is without capacity of such. A rock is a rock in 1D without the benefit of social interaction to even begin to form a Social Memory Complex which we in 3D have even yet to reach. Surely it seems logical to suggest that 1D is not capable of surpassing 3D in this respect. Therefore it seems as logical to assume the comparative analysis of 1D to 6D as a gross mis-step if one may not even do so with 3D to 6D as regards specifically "a certain spirit collective" aka "a Social Memory Complex." Wouldn't you agree?

i dont agree. 1d of this octave, is 8d of the earlier octave. like how 8d of this octave is 1d of the later octave. there seems to be a repeating pattern in regard to evolution in octaves.

Now this is a most curious twist of logic. I suggest this in humor as much as in earnest. Although I admit that your logic at face value is almost always intriguing at first brush, it just as often stands logic on its head as a result.
Although the generality of 1D of the previous Octave is 8D of the next, how in the world may you deduce from this that one Octave is even remotely similar to another? It may be. But it may just as very likely not be at all. Allow me to demonstrate a better logic from the Ra quotes if I may. If Ra dared not plumb the depths of the next Octave, how then might we plumb the depths of the previous? You assume by your logic that everything may be piecemealed and stacked together very nicely in a hierarchical structure stretching logic to such an extent that it fast becomes illogical. By your logic, Ra will graduate one fine day from mid 6D into 7D, this after some 2 billion more years from now, and then spend presumably many more billions+ years in 7D until finally graduating into 8D which is indeed as you state the equivalent of 1D of the next octave. The next Octave may be constituted of an entire different array of wonder having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this wonder in any manner whatsoever. I imagine the same may be said even within an octave of 3D to simple 4D. How then may one assume one octave to another bears any similarity to eachother?
Creation must begin somewhere. Those creations may likewise end as gracefully. Perhaps it begins anew in each new Octave, rather than it necessarily perceived as an ever continuing continuum in a series of evolutions from one to the other? Were this supposition so, it would be an infinitely longer evolution stuck in the creation created simply by virtue of self imposed and rigid constraints simply for having created it, rather than as a more efficient one through the experiments by the Logoi as stated in the LOO by Ra that the Logoi experiment. It stands to reason that they do so in new Octaves. We mustn't with our finite minds constrain Infinity afterall?

in earlier 3 densities, there is unison among entities/spirits, then in 3d they become individualized, and then individualization starts to lessen and entities start to meld into one in the last 3 densities. this is understandable from what Ra says about them, acting as one and being one, and speaking as 'i am Ra' instead of 'we are Ra'.

Again, the logic is superb in some ways. But just as before it requires a jump across an abyss to make it so. 1D and 2D are not self aware. 2D acts as herd mentality completely incapable of distinguishing itself apart from the herd or its other-selves, whereas 1D is simply in a state of is-ness comprised and devoid of even being aware of its other selves in 1D in any manner whatsoever, versus 4D and above becoming aware jointly of itself as themselves as cosmic consciousness in becoming. Awareness is the distinguishing factor here which is the entire point of spiritual evolution. You may be assuming coincidence is similarity, if not perhaps reading into things which may otherwise not be there. You further seem to suggest that we in 3D are least evolved of all densities given it is the density we are most individuated in, whereas 1D and 2D are more like 4D-7D? Once again the logic contradicts itself as to the hierarchy you argue for, otherwise I might as likely argue 3D is the most special of all for being individuated unlike all other densities. Viewing it through the lens of consciousness makes abundantly more sense as the hierarchy of increasing awareness than is to view it through the lens of individuation, being together in 1D, then coming apart in 2D and 3D, then together again in 4D - 8D, all as a result of the train that began the logic due to 1D being 8D in the next Octave.

thus, it is highly possible that 1d exists in a state of unison and cohesion in higher cohesiveness than other densities, similar to a 8d existence, with the differentiation among 'spirit groups' or characteristics of local existences of infinite intelligence being very hardly discernable.from unison to individualization and to unison again, in an unending cycle.

And here you've made the point to my response above as to the jump in logic required to follow the logic proposed.

i think any kind of 'lagging behind' would not happen unless unnecessary, unwise, and detrimental 'catalyst' was introduced due the misplanning of a local logos, as in the case of this solar system.

By this logic, 3D entities lagging without graduation for the ump-teenth time in millions of years + of their sojourn, and who as a result of non-graduation are dispatched all about the galaxy to other suitable 3D planets due to not graduating to planets going 4D, is all as a result of bad planing on the part of the LOGOS (???) rather than inefficient utilization of experience of catalyst on the 3D entities part, which is the whole purpose for the plan of the Logos to begin with. Although Ra never utilized the term laggards, inefficient use of experience is tantamount to the same thing in terms of the speed at which some polarize and others do not choosing instead to sleep on.

Allow me to diverge for one moment if I may as a fellow student and seeker who knows little to nothing, but is willing to get his feet wet if not his hands dirty and to be honest. Although I do truly salute your creative abilities to form what otherwise seem to be creative concepts to the LOO Material, it seems you do so through the large jumps required in logic to get there. I do follow your logic and creative interpretations, and do find them interesting, and often lending a different perspective to the Material and quotes, but feel they as often miss the mark of what Ra was intending otherwise to convey. It is more than abundantly clear that you've read the Material quite thoroughly, very thoroughly in fact, and are as a result intimately familiar with its content, in many ways inside and out, and more so than many, but that there are basic core principles which you either extrapolate into new directions, or simply interpret in other ways. I am open to exploring more of what you see as a means of exercising and stretching my own constraints, but would ask always for specific references, given we are hopefully engaging in the study of the LOO exclusively. We are, aren't we?

in an ideal situation, any spirit collective would manifest in any given density as long as their situation requires it, and start to pass into the next manifestation level according to the attraction from above, and the pushing of the energy coming from below (infinite intelligence), and seamlessly transition into the next level of existence. this is the way, apparently it should be.

This would be so by your explanation for all densities...with the exception of 3D presumably?

since, apart from 2d and 3d, harvest of densities seem to be collective harvests. ie, the densities in which individualization increases.

I stand corrected. 2D is by your interpretation also included as furthest removed from the evolved state of 1D as a result of it being closest to 8D, notwithstanding that 8D is in an entire different Octave which we know absolutely nothing of. May I continue to gently demonstrate and challenge the jump in logic that these sentiments require to get you where you think your going? I can't speak with authority by any means, but it seems that you do. As such let me try it this way. I get that 1D is 8D. But that oh so fine "discreet" distinction from one Octave to another on the scale of a Piano may be as non-discreet as from one Piano to another Piano, if not one instrument to another so as to make it "discreate", as in annihilating what we know, from one CREATION to another by virtue of crossing that oh-so-fine and discreet 7D to 8D which is 1D....in the NEXT Octave.

Will the rock and the cockroach ultimately become a 3D being and then ultimately a Logos, and if so what is their problem in their lack of speed in staying with the program if we all started off at the same time?

i have missed that. its important. it seems that you think a cockroach will ultimately become a 3d being, and then, ultimately a logos. the last part is important....so you think, entities end up becoming logoses ?

I believe I do. I believe I must. I believe I do not know. It seems there exists the progression of evolution of consciousness such that it infinitlely continues in ascension. If I was 1D and 2D, and now am 3D, or have wandered from 6D so that I may progress to 8D and infinite Octaves beyond that, I may wander back to become a Galactic Logos by this reckoning, or choose to ever ascend upwards instead by never being a Logos. It is interesting that you even asked in as much as it is you that proposes all is infinitely possible in infinity.

i have specifically asked this, to bring this up. there is a possibility that, all or some totalities manifest as logoses in 8d, creating suns and experience nexuses. if this is the case, ra would eventually pass through 7d, go into 8d, and manifest as a local logos throughout part or all of 8d.

I have assumed something to this effect as a possibility from the outset. Yes. In some ways, particularly as regards the ability to stretch concepts, we are very much on the same page. Here is a fine example.
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Let us split the thread here, as this conversation above, inclusive of 1D to a Galactic Logos, may prove to be as interesting to any and all that may likewise have other thoughts to add to ours.

I will cut and paste the bottom of this and post it onto your previous thread "There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY"
where we may pick it up on.

It is a pleasure discoursing with you unity.

L/L

~ Q ~

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infinity, is infinite. there is no other case or situation. its not even left to believing. its not a matter of belief.
...pose your question in the thread you mean to, and i will reply.
before it gets lost in the shuffle :

You seem adamant in your convictions. I agree infinity is infinity. But what does that mean? Lets pick it up on your thread "There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY"