12-02-2015, 05:28 PM
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: Right, now I understand your reasoning with falsity.
I thought of "falsity" as something interchangable with illusion or distortion. That is my fault entirely.
It seems we have further discussion then, because I believe that "falsity" is, in fact, interchangeable with "illusion" and "distortion". My question is: why do you find one word acceptable, but the others unacceptable? Or rather, why do you find an association between falsity and negativity aversive?
Please understand, I am not saying that a highly negatively polarized being does not know the difference between truth and illusion, rather, I'm saying that illusion makes everything that they desire, possible. If you desire "control over others", that is only possible *within* illusion. They utilize *illusion* and *falsity* and *distortion* in order to control others. It is what they like to do. If you disagree with that concept, then you and I have very different ideas about what a negatively polarized being is like.
Now, service to others is also only possible within illusion, but they don't take those actions because of the illusion, but rather, because of the truth *outside* of the illusion (the truth being that we are all the same being).
I should clarify that I'm not talking about 3rd density beings, for the most part. I'm am talking about higher density beings that pursuing adepthood along their given paths. A 3rd density being may engage in STO or STS behavior on an unconscious whim and have no particular conscious understanding of the cosmic metaphysical process at work.
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: The point I made in my first response to your post is that; STO would be meaningless the without illusion of manyness. Whereas you used the illusion of manyness/seperation as a defining characteristic of the STS path. This I found disagreeable, and in the following post I also expressed my distaste for your overly long hypothesis.
You've already "agreed" with the initial point I made. There is no room for misunderstanding.
I'm not so sure. I do maintain that separation is a defining characteristic of the STS path, however I am not saying that separation isn't part of the STO path as well, it just plays a completely different role. Ra often refers to the negative path as "the path of separation". Take a look at the following Ra quote, it talks about the role of illusion on the STS path:
"Ra: The polarities are both dependent upon a limited viewpoint. However, the negative polarity depends more heavily upon the illusory separation betwixt the self and all other mind/body/spirit complexes. The positive polarity attempts to see through the illusion to the Creator in each mind/body/spirit complex, but for the greater part is concerned with behaviors and thoughts directed towards other-selves in order to be of service. This attitude in itself is full of the stuff of your third-density illusion."
This Ra quote mirrors what I'm attempting to get across, nigh perfectly. Both paths are of illusion, but the intentions of both polarity use the illusion entirely opposite of each other.
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: For what it's worth, the "control of all" path seems hopelessly impractical to me.
I think it is impractical as a way to fully rejoin the creator, but quite practical if one is simply pursuing the feeling of absolute power. Of course, an STS being knows it is not going to rule the universe as some kind of god, it just wants to get as close as possible.
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: This sort of presumption is what I was referring to with unsubstantiated opinion.
STO entity wants to do X or STS entity does Y because of Z. To which one could say, not necessarily.
Even if all entities must return as a natural consequence of reality, I see no reason to pursue it. You'll return, and start from scratch elsewhere.
I will concede in the case of 3rd density entities, the reason why they pursue any particular polarized action is probably not consciously motivated toward seeking the creator or ending illusion for themselves. They simply do what is in their nature to do, and it doesn't become conscious polarization till they are far down the path of simply reacting according to their unconscious nature.
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: Instead of diverge, I'd say they merge into one.
The reason I say diverge is because you can't reach the creator through the service to self path, which is why STS entities choose an instantaneous energy realignment to positive in mid sixth density. If the paths merged Ra would have said the come together, but Ra very clearly states that the negative switches over to positive polarity.
"Ra: The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution."
So perhaps you are right in saying "the paths merge", but they don't merge "in the middle", so to speak, they merge in positivity. But then, in the absence of negativity, it is difficult to define the positive as positive, however, I would still call it positive. How else would one define "positive" if not by the degree it reflects unity? How would you define positive? How would you define negative? See my problem?
(12-02-2015, 04:37 PM)earth_spirit Wrote:(12-02-2015, 03:40 PM)anagogy Wrote: The creator is positive, because positivity is unity.
I'm not sure if I can agree with this. OIC is beyond polarity. He can't be positive/negative. He just is.
I must respectfully disagree. Everything I "perceive" as "positive" has elements of unity in it. Everything I perceive as "negative" has elements of separation in it. So while I understand the desire to say the creator is polarity-less, I disagree with it. I think all there is positivity, but we can only know that it is positive against the background of illusory negativity. So in the absence of negativity, there is no polarity, but only in the sense that we can no longer can make the comparison.
Essentially, there is positivity there, we just don't know it is positive. Again, what standard do you use for defining whether any given thing is positive or negative? For me, unity is positive, and separation is negative. Unity is an eternal truth, separation is a temporary false illusion. Positivity radiates, negativity absorbs.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.