Why I am not a vegan

[Jade]

You think those things have an effect on individuation, but you don't think that a human keeping an animal confined in a cage, bringing it its only source of food, constantly probing it and injecting various medications, and removing its offspring immediately after birth wouldn't have some affect on an animal's self-awareness? Do you think that nothing has a name and ever gets looked in the eye on a factory farm? If each animal had a name placard on their torture cage, would you reconsider your opinion? Again, affectionate love is one way to invest in a 2D being. My belief is that any condition (especially instigated by a human) that pulls a 2D being out of its NATURAL, INSTINCTIVE group mind is what individuates it. I understand we differ in this view, but it's good to ponder why.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say you're right.  You're just proving that even that experience has value to those 2nd density animals, because it is helping to raise their consciousness.  This goes back to one of my earlier points: more bodies equals more experience for their animal group consciousness, and thus, faster evolution.  If there are less bodies to incarnate into, there is slower evolution.  One could even draw a parallel between the preveil conditions of humans, and these factory farms.  Preveil was nice, and idyllic and there was little to no suffering, but spiritual evolution was SLOW.  So slow in fact, that the Logos decided to cut us off from our source with the veil because even though it was less pleasant, it *aided* evolution.

Of course, I'm not arguing this point. I was arguing the point that it's erroneous and nigh impossible to individuate factory farm animals. But, this new point emerging that, not all beings in factory farms are "merely" 2D awareness  - it IS possible that some have 3D awareness. I don't think that's as big of a change of awareness as you are arguing, however, so I don't feel "more bad" for the 3D beings in factory farms than the 2D beings - but I feel just as "bad" about what's happening to the animals as I do to anything that is happening to humans. I don't believe it's "more okay" because they are "merely" 2D awareness, which seems to be a lot of the argument for participating in the factory farm paradigm. If this were happening to humans, no one would argue so staunchly that it's for the "greater good".

Again, I propose the argument that if someone is sick, and they ask for my help, my help is not to let them languish in their self-imposed, debilitating illness, my help is to try to alleviate the symptoms. There are many types of service, many choices. All action is service. All is well.