(11-10-2015, 12:30 PM)anagogy Wrote:(11-10-2015, 12:22 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The quote is about the various methods of investiture, not just pets. Also, farm animals are domesticated and therefore interact with humans every day, just like pets. They may not be invested with love but they are invested with 3D awareness.
I'll concede that it involves more than pets, but I seriously doubt it happens to any significant extent in large groupings of animals (like on a farm). In my opinion, it is when humans name an animal, and/or shower it with affection that starts to individuate it -- i.e. the singling it out as a personality unto its own.
You think those things have an effect on individuation, but you don't think that a human keeping an animal confined in a cage, bringing it its only source of food, constantly probing it and injecting various medications, and removing its offspring immediately after birth wouldn't have some affect on an animal's self-awareness? Do you think that nothing has a name and ever gets looked in the eye on a factory farm? If each animal had a name placard on their torture cage, would you reconsider your opinion? Again, affectionate love is one way to invest in a 2D being. My belief is that any condition (especially instigated by a human) that pulls a 2D being out of its NATURAL, INSTINCTIVE group mind is what individuates it. I understand we differ in this view, but it's good to ponder why.