Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Also, I've noticed a number of times it being said that no human or animal wants to be tortured or killed. I suppose that assumption can be made for animals, but humans I'm not so sure. There are definitely humans I have met with death fantasies and masochistic tendencies. Some humans simply don't care what happens to them and happily engage in their own suffering. Some even see it as some kind of mark of honour or strength.

In more ancient times it was common for young men to go through intentional suffering to pass to adulthood in the eyes of the community. Even now you can see it in drug and drinking culture where people will abuse themselves for the entertainment.

I really don't think humans are so complete wholesome as some are trying to suggest they are capable of. Capable? Maybe, but the general choice is certainly not that way.

Good point. I concede that some humans do indeed consciously want to be victimized or tortured. But, those humans are seeking out suffering, or, as you say, don't care what happens to them. So it's their choice.

The animals don't have that choice. They are making it very clear, by their struggling to be free, their wailing, etc. that they don't want that. So imposing it on them anyway is a violation of their free will.

That is the difference.

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