11-07-2015, 12:02 PM
(11-07-2015, 10:23 AM)Monica Wrote:(11-06-2015, 10:20 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Yeah the Creator did not wish to experience suffering or know itself, you are definitely right.
This is such a common 'New Age' misinterpretation. Shirley MacClaine caused quite a stir in the Christian communities when she proclaimed in a film "I AM GOD" which of course sounded like she was saying she was ALL of God, The One UNdifferentiated, UNdistorted Creator, which of course she wasn't.
All of us are God, in a holographic sense. But NONE of us are The UNdistorted Creator.
Ra explains this concept very well, in terms of distortion. You are completely leaving out distortion.
So yeah, sure, the Creator wants women to be raped and children to be slaughtered and children to be raped and ongoing wars and all the other myriad atrocities going on in this messed-up world. Apparently the Creator either wants all that or... :idea: doesn't care because the UNdistorted Creator is beyond all that. Who knows? Not even Ra knows, so we're deluding ourselves if we think we can speak for the UNdistorted One Infinite Creator.
So it's a moot point.
The Creator wants to know Itself, your rejection of others is nothing than not wanting to know yourself. None of you here has put any effort in understanding how another could balance within itself love and wisdom in regard to meat eating and still eat meat. All I've seen is constant rejection of what is unlike yourself, I mainly participated in these discussions because you expressed a desire to understand what was unlike yourself to most times realize it was not so. You do not in any way wish to understand the inner truth of others if it is in conflict with your own.
(11-07-2015, 10:23 AM)Monica Wrote: What we DO know is that, regardless of what their Higher Self programmed as part of their life curriculum, NO human and NO animal chooses to be tortured or killed. End of story.
If their conscious free-will choice wasn't important, then why did Ra go to such great lengths to explain the concepts of free will and what it means to impose on the free will of other sentient beings? Even going so far as to call this density the Density of Choice.
Yet I have never felt I have infriged upon free will by eating meat. As I said multiple times I eat meat (which is not a 2D entity anymore and has it's own set of experience and desire) and threat it as what it is at the moment. I would not want to create this system nor do I want to reject what already is.
(11-07-2015, 10:23 AM)Monica Wrote: Choice matters here, at this nexus. What the UNdistorted Creator may or may not want is completely unknown, and therefore completely irrelevant.
Then all I know is the inner truth I found within myself. Where most of you found despair I found love and light.
In my view you are very delusionned (just as you think I am), you've stated wanting to share your way of thinking with our Logos, which somehow implies It would not be already aware of your every thought and emotion, and that It would even be less aware than you are of the on-going suffering which It probably feels altogether unlike you. Also seems to imply you would be more loving than our Logos, which I find laughable.
(11-07-2015, 10:23 AM)Monica Wrote:(11-06-2015, 10:20 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I do not think of entities in the same manner that you think of them. If your question is.. Does the 2D entity wishes for it while it is happening? surely not... Does the higher self of that entity which exist in a simultaneousl parallel manner to it's lower self wish for it? Yes, it does.
This has been addressed ad nauseam. If the woman walking down a dark alley has been programmed by her Higher Self to experience the catalyst of being raped, is that a justification for YOU or I to be the one to do the dirty deed?
How many times have I asked that same question? At least a dozen times in recent threads. To use the point that the woman's Higher Self or the animal's Higher Self has chosen that catalyst as a justification for harming them and imposing on their conscious free will, is to demonstrate that one either a.) doesn't understand the basic concepts of STS and STO...OR b.) does understand but doesn't care...in which case the implications are clear.
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For your example I would need to have a desire to rape which then would attract the right person to share the experience. Everything that happens is nothing more than resonance.
I also have stated that my ways of eating meat only give a little support to these indrustries and does not have much impact on my own polarity. So no I am not anymore causing harm than you could consider yourself causing harm when your taxes money and such can be used to support the meat industry.