Hi Quantum!
I've been wanting to jump in and comment...having some difficulty getting my thoughts into words. You are very passionate about wanting to defend the goodness/STO aspects of religion and I thank you for your efforts. I found myself in that position before on a forum, and it wasn't fun!! Especially when the spiritual teacher was the member who was denigrating Buddha...boy did that fire me up...and I'm Christian!!! You can only imagine what the discourse was over there at that time.
(I am not saying that anyone here is denigrating religion or great spiritual teachers) However, religion is a subject that does fire up alot of opinions and feelings and judgements In that light, I can understand why you want to reel in the dialogue, because the actual truth is usually different from the feelings, opinions and judgements.
I resonated with the LOO in part because of Carla and her religious faith. That made it so much more comfortable for me as a seeker. I know many Christians who are so service-to-others oriented that it leaves me no doubt that their faith in Jesus led them there.
So to get to your original question,
Personally I have been able to let go of the doctrines and dogma in my "awakening" experience so this question does not bother me in the way you might think coming from JIC. Prior to this letting go of the dogma (ie. "My karma ate my dogma" haha) I may have struggled more with this.
It comes down to, for me , the truth of who we are. We are God's children. We are the Creator. We are God. We are engaged in a co-creative, collective process of Creation. From the beginning of the octave to the end. Alpha and omega.
What is the nature of God? God is unconditionally loving, compassionate, and powerful, not judgemental, and not punitive. So if that is God's nature, how could God possibly consider eternal punishment for any of his children? (As taught in JIC) This always made no sense to me from the time I was a child, I guess somehow I knew the true nature of God. We are all welcome home by God.
I feel that the STS disconnect themselves from Source/Creator and that is how they are able to do horrendous things, because they are disconnected...their hearts are not open to connect with all that is. Doesn't Ra say something about this? I have to look that one up!!!
Getting back to the question...Ra's teaching made more sense to me than other explanations I heard, that didn't resonate. But as others have stated, it would be interesting to hear how the process occurs in 6-D.
I agree that forgiveness is a very big part of it, forgiveness of self.
I've been wanting to jump in and comment...having some difficulty getting my thoughts into words. You are very passionate about wanting to defend the goodness/STO aspects of religion and I thank you for your efforts. I found myself in that position before on a forum, and it wasn't fun!! Especially when the spiritual teacher was the member who was denigrating Buddha...boy did that fire me up...and I'm Christian!!! You can only imagine what the discourse was over there at that time.
(I am not saying that anyone here is denigrating religion or great spiritual teachers) However, religion is a subject that does fire up alot of opinions and feelings and judgements In that light, I can understand why you want to reel in the dialogue, because the actual truth is usually different from the feelings, opinions and judgements.
I resonated with the LOO in part because of Carla and her religious faith. That made it so much more comfortable for me as a seeker. I know many Christians who are so service-to-others oriented that it leaves me no doubt that their faith in Jesus led them there.
So to get to your original question,
Quote:Specifically a case in point: STS vs STO - How do does one raised in said traditions of JIC reconcile that one may at mid 6th density merge into Heaven, so to speak, by in fact having traversed the paths of deprivation, depravity, degradation, and just a whole lot of general degeneration (lots of "D" words)...( basically Hell), and presumably in fact the deeper one descends into hell through these "D" actions the more then is one rewarded and the more expeditious his path to heaven is opened up to him?
Personally I have been able to let go of the doctrines and dogma in my "awakening" experience so this question does not bother me in the way you might think coming from JIC. Prior to this letting go of the dogma (ie. "My karma ate my dogma" haha) I may have struggled more with this.
It comes down to, for me , the truth of who we are. We are God's children. We are the Creator. We are God. We are engaged in a co-creative, collective process of Creation. From the beginning of the octave to the end. Alpha and omega.
What is the nature of God? God is unconditionally loving, compassionate, and powerful, not judgemental, and not punitive. So if that is God's nature, how could God possibly consider eternal punishment for any of his children? (As taught in JIC) This always made no sense to me from the time I was a child, I guess somehow I knew the true nature of God. We are all welcome home by God.
I feel that the STS disconnect themselves from Source/Creator and that is how they are able to do horrendous things, because they are disconnected...their hearts are not open to connect with all that is. Doesn't Ra say something about this? I have to look that one up!!!
Getting back to the question...Ra's teaching made more sense to me than other explanations I heard, that didn't resonate. But as others have stated, it would be interesting to hear how the process occurs in 6-D.
I agree that forgiveness is a very big part of it, forgiveness of self.