(09-23-2015, 06:43 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: You keep calling it direct but I have already stated I do not think it is in another thread.
Look, there is a difference between the words direct and indirect. I'm Not making this up! It's simple definitions of words.
If a woman dumps her boyfriend and he flies into a rage and goes postal, she indirectly affected his emotional state, but she did Not directly cause him to go shoot people! No court of law would ever find her guilty of murder because she didn't directly kill anyone. Her involvement was only indirect, and even then, the final choice was up to the boyfriend. The boyfriend will be found guilty of murder in a court of law, Not his ex-girlfriend just for dumping him! That is an example of indirect.
Here is an example of direct:
A man pays an assassin to kill his ex-wife. If caught, both the assassin (the man who actually pulled the trigger) AND the man who paid him will be found guilty. BOTH of them. Why? Because they both directly caused the murder of the wife.
In industry, it's a simple matter of supply and demand. Each time we buy meat/dairy from the grocery store, we are directly supporting an industry that directly causes the rape, torture and killing of sentient beings. Whether we physically slit the cow's throat or not makes No difference; we are supporting the cow's rape/torture/slaughter just the same. It is direct, because we are directly supporting the industry. The industry continues to expand and rape/torture/slaughter more animals in direct response to demand; ie. how many people are buying the product. The only way to Not directly participate is to quit buying the product!
(09-23-2015, 06:43 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I do not think you are the judge of what is necessary or unecessary
I'm not. Medical researchers already decided that, Not me.
(09-23-2015, 06:43 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: nor do we agree on what love is nor what the purpose and meaning of suffering is.
Actually, we do agree on what the purpose and meaning of suffering is. I have never disagreed with you on that point. (Not sure about the love part though.)
The point I disagreed on was whether we should knowingly and directly contribute to said suffering. That is where we disagree. I contend that knowingly causing suffering is the task of the STS-oriented entity. Am I understanding you correctly that you think it's ok for STO-oriented entities to knowingly and directly cause suffering to sentient other-selves just to satisfy their own desires?
(09-23-2015, 06:43 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I already said I acknowledge and accept the current system, as such I have no strong desires to avoid being in contact with it nor desires to change it otherwise.
If you eat meat and/or dairy, then you are already in contact with it and supporting its continued existence.
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