09-22-2015, 05:55 PM
(09-22-2015, 03:52 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Monica, politely, that wasn't his point. The way he means it is a bit transcendent of either path in terms of meaning or importance. He's doing what the paths ultimately both lead to. Service to self in the service to self path is still a service to others occurrence in ways in a mirrored way to what he just said as well.
It's easy to misinterpret typed words. Doubly easy when those words have multiple meanings. Service to Self can be a generic term, or it can refer to the name of a path...an orientation of polarity.
Maybe your interpretation of what he intended is correct...maybe not. I didn't want to assume that my interpretation was correct, so I asked him to clarify.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: May I also, politely, mention that his remarks on death and rebirth were not very bleak in my view. May I suggest that you reconsider your perception of his post? He speaks of life and death, and I do agree with him. Animal life dies. Plant life dies. There is suffering regardless. One is just more evolved suffering.
Thank you for your polite request.
OK, I reconsidered.
I still find them bleak, sorry. The idea of an entire planet blanketed with plant life, and ALL that plant life in constant agony, seems extremely bleak to me. It's bad enough that wildlife are all prey for other wildlife, but at least they have a good life before stepping in a hole, getting injured, and then being too slow to keep up with the herd so they become dinner for a pack of wolves. A good life ending in violence...that's bad enough. I already don't like the design of this planet in regards to animals killing other animals.
But now, you're asking me to consider that each individual blade of grass also suffers horribly, not just once, but throughout its entire life, being that grass gets stepped on repeatedly, then eaten but grows back repeatedly...
Not only is it bleak, it's morbid and sadistic!
Wolves killing the old, the weak, the injured of the herd makes sense. There's a certain mercy built into the system. The weak, the old, the injured...those are the ones most often killed by the predators. Perhaps the Logos decided that this was preferable to starvation. I can wrap my mind around that.
But the idea of every blade of grass and every lettuce leaf living in constant agony...that would indicate that our Logos is very sadistic indeed!
I don't buy it. Plants are physiologically very different. There is a reason they don't have an elaborate nervous system and pain receptors like higher 2D life (animals) and humans. There is a reason why they aren't mobile. They don't need to be. There's a reason they grow back after getting leaves torn off, whereas cows don't grow back legs.
Animals are more like humans than they are like carrots. That is simple observation.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: It's funny you say it takes a month to detox. It took me two weeks being non-vegan drinking a gallon of lemon-lime infused water (not even with cucumber) a day with 4 heaping tablespoons of hemp seeds in the morning to fully detox. Detoxing feels good actually, it can feel heavy and hard the first few days but then suddenly you're invigorated and full of energy like some kind of clog in your energy system has been removed.
It really depends on the person and how much accumulation they have.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: But some take the suffering of that meat and transmute it with love given to those who suffered. Eating meat is a service.
That's like saying the rapist takes the suffering of his victim and transmutes it with love. Why even rape in the first place? Don't rape and then you won't have anything to transmute.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: 3D is a painful density for many. You can't end all the suffering...Sadly.
No, we can't. But we can choose to quit participating in it.
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In bold, now you can maybe see the depth of sorrow and sadness many feel towards this planet, perceiving it in a view that is wholly the definition of Horror.
In underline, there are plants that move about, they are not immobile. The Source Field Studies by David Wilcock shows that Plant Life is aware and can not only feel pain, but feel and sense the pain of other living organisms. Each blade of grass is in a sense connected to the whole, as a forest is one entity once it's roots of each tree connect with the rest. If one part suffer, the entirety suffers. But pain is a part of life, that does not mean pain causes agony. To step on a rose, the scent of it on your foot is it's forgiveness. They are aware differently, they perceive pain, but are not as nearly crippled by it, unless of course it's enough to kill. Like say, shredding a tree...While it's still planted.
To take from the parent body spells imminent death if treatment is not administered, such as returning the separated plant body back to another parent body, like the ground or a pot of soil. Sort of like an unborn human baby, except you can't disconnect those and keep them alive. (As far as I know...)
So, honestly. Thank you. You have glimpsed my reality. The truth is suffering is prevalent. Why rape? What if a soul desired the catalyst of rape? It needs to happen somehow. Another has to do it. Suffering is one side of a multifaceted existence. But it is present on Earth enough so to be...Very sad. That is essentially the inherent unified good in the Service to Self Path offering catalyst to others, it is literally a Service to an-Other.
That is why often times I ignore the terminology so dogmatically distinguished, distilled, and used by many people to push their points in 'justifying' their behaviors. It is sad to me. Polarity too is an illusion so does Ra say. There is only one thing, and polarity exists to teach us that one thing, as does all polar opposites and their infinite gradients all leading back to their source.
Service to Others. Service to Self. It is all the same. There is no difference. Those ratios, 51 to 95, are based on your intentions, in thought, word, and action. Not how well you perform your specific concept of each path, that's why outright murder is so intently service to self, and outright sacrifice is so intently service to other.
With Love
Please be as you will.