09-22-2015, 01:51 PM
(09-22-2015, 12:34 PM)Aion Wrote: It statements like this 'This is irrefutably proven by science.' that I just can't get behind. Science does not and cannot irrefutably prove anything, that's not the point of science. Science is a method of analysis and observation based on hypothesis and experiment. Experiments are meant to refine the hypothesis by either supporting it with evidence or providing evidence which requires a new hypothesis. So the hypothesis evolves and changes.
I actually agree with the gist of what you're saying here. Intelligent people often arrive at different conclusions based on the same science. Plus, scientific studies are often flawed and/or biased, and even if they're not, different studies often show different results, so analyzing all that data is an arduous process and highly subject to error and bias.
Examples include the safety/danger of vaccines, the theory of Evolution, whether chemotherapy is an effective treatment for cancer, and numerous other cases in which conclusions are far from irrefutable.
However, in the cases of simple chemistry, it is indeed possible to reach irrefutable conclusions. The controversy occurs when other factors are added to the mix.
As an example: In terms of simple chemistry, water is H2O. If we introduce other chemicals and minerals to the water, then that is where the controversy starts, as to what is the healthiest water to drink. But the chemistry of water being H2O is irrefutable.
Likewise, the human body is known to require certain nutrients, including protein, carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals, etc. It is irrefutable, simple chemistry that, biologically, there are certain requirements.
Where the controversy arises is the best way to obtain those nutrients. Add to that, the emotional component: Ie., if someone passionately believes they must get their protein from meat, they might manifest perceived evidence to back up their belief. Sort of like the Placebo Effect in reverse. For that person, the strength of their beliefs caused a physical manifestation, just as someone else might manifest pain or cancer, or spontaneous healing of an 'incurable' disease.
So yes, certainly there are myriad factors, due to the power of the human mind. We all know that.
But biologically, it is simple chemistry that all nutrients required by the human body are found in plants, with the exception of Vitamin B12, which is easily supplemented. Someone might think they need meat to get protein, and they might even manifest their own reality based on their belief, but the chemistry shows otherwise.
So I am speaking of chemistry here, which is simple to prove with science.
(09-22-2015, 12:34 PM)Aion Wrote: What you have is a great theory and evidence (which I have not viewed, so that is another account for my skepticism because until I actually read and interpret the data myself I can't say I actually have viewed the evidence) but that doesn't establish law or truth, only a plausible possibility of explanation.
There are plenty of vibrantly healthy vegans out there, who prove that, biologically, the human body can indeed thrive without meat or dairy. Even the mainstream medical establishment acknowledges that, despite their heavy bias favor of meat/dairy. Plus, even with other factors such as smoking, exercise, etc., statistically vegans still have drastically lower risks of all the major diseases.
When was the last time you heard of someone healing their cancer by eating more meat? That never happens. But stories abound of people who've healed xyz disease by going vegan, by juicing, etc. It's always the plants that heal, never the dead animal flesh. (That's a clue! )
(09-22-2015, 12:34 PM)Aion Wrote: You speak of choice, but my choice of polarity is clear. I am service to self. What is my deepest desire? To polarize positively. Think about that. If I am serving myself, and I want to serve others, who am I serving?
I read it 3 times and still don't understand it. Can you explain that in Law of One terminology? You are using Law of One terms but did you intend them in the way that Ra uses them? Service to Self and polarize positively are direct opposites.
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