09-22-2015, 12:52 PM
(09-22-2015, 12:35 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-22-2015, 11:24 AM)Aion Wrote: So you think entities only care about the destruction of their bodies if they have pain-receptors?
First, please define what you mean by entity.
What is an entity? Is a single blade of grass an entity? Is your lawn writhing in agony when you mow it? When you have an ivy and cut part of it off and plant it, and it grows into another ivy plant, is it another entity? How about if you take 5 cuttings from the same ivy plant and grow 5 more ivies in pots? Do you now have 6 ivy plants?
Can you cut off a cow's leg and grow another cow?
(09-22-2015, 11:24 AM)Aion Wrote: I actually don't believe physical pain in the manner of pain receptors is the only way entities feel pain, so that doesn't exactly conclude for me that it is not.
Fish don't have pain receptors, do they count as plants or animals? Lol
Quote:Fish fulfill several criteria proposed as indicating that non-human animals may experience pain. These fulfilled criteria include a suitable nervous system and sensory receptors, opioid receptors and reduced responses to noxious stimuli when given analgesics and local anaesthetics, physiological changes to noxious stimuli, displaying protective motor reactions, exhibiting avoidance learning and making trade-offs between noxious stimulus avoidance and other motivational requirements.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_fish
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That's a convoluted question but I get your point. An entity is a mind/body/spirit (complex). So, yes, every single individual plant, sub-plant and blade of grass is an individuated entity which will gradually make its way through the densities. Every entity that experiences destruction experiences grief, if not directly then by the higher self and spirits which tend to it. I actually do not 'have' a 'lawn' (human designated patch of earth) and when I did I didn't mow it and would not desire to in the future.
The attempt to compare an ability to replicate in one way to the mutilation of another creature is clever but doesn't quite match up in my eyes. Animals and plants have a different physiology, they function differently. Ergo, it doesn't make sense that they would be interacted with in the same way. It's like comparing a circle to a square.
However, I can say that both a circle and square are made by drawing lines. I think plants and animals are actually the same thing and to attempt to differentiate is more a matter of description and catalogue than truth. We refer to different creature types as different things, but it really appears to me that 'second-density beings are second-density beings' regardless of whether you divide them in to classified groups.
Animals and plants both live and die and they do so in many different ways even among themselves. Whatever you take from them and consume is a matter of death. The cells you remove die because they are no longer integrated with their parent body. They may continue living for awhile and we see this as 'better'. Eat food that's still alive! That's way less horrific than consuming dead entities...
So, I feel that either way I am working with suffering. However, it's not all doom and gloom, because I know that everything that dies lives again and everything that lives will die. I will die, you will die, we will all die and then we will experience life.
Until then, we can continue to discuss the nuances of devouring other life-forms I suppose.