(09-17-2015, 03:23 PM)Aion Wrote:(09-17-2015, 03:10 PM)upensmoke Wrote: if someone kills cows to make leather jackets. the killer is only going to kill more cows if people buy his leather jackets. if the demand is high he will kill even more cows then what he intended too. I find it quite surprising that you would say the people who buy the leather jackets don't contribute too the killing of the cows. If no one bought leather jackets no one would find a need to kill cows for jackets. how can you deny that logic ? there is absolutely no morality in there its pure logic.
aion i also agree that it may or may not be polarizing for the individual but I do know that you could identify the action as STS or STO which is what im doing to clear that up for anyone.
Also I agree that some entities wanted to choose a path of suffering but I highly doubt EVERY entity who experiences suffering wanted too.
Well the person could give the jackets away, or make them for themselves, or do other things with the leather. However, is there no recognition then for the capacity of the leather jacket to create a lifetime of added warmth to an individual, is that not a service?
Again, the focus seem centralized on this fearful idea of killing. I'm not saying killing isn't a horrific thing, but I also have to question why it also appears to be so normal in nature. The question always seems to come back to evolution and often people relate it to spiritual evolution. However, this is a distinctly Eastern influence. There are some cases of vegetarianism in Western spirituality but in general blood has always been seen to be a powerful force.
Let me describe something. Every time an animal dies by the hands of a human it is a form of sacrificial blood magic. That energy would normally be picked up by the wise Magician but since those are scarce in society it is picked up by those adepts who are able to draw in and work with scattered energy or at least that would be true if not for the fact that there are groups of negative adepts on the planet which take and direct this energy in to many structures of mental control and impressioning through fear, panic and the like.
Factory farms are massive sacrificial grounds where raw life energy is harvested. Even better is that cognitive dissonance is created so that people feel guilty about it. Once people feel guilty they then will soak up all of that nasty energy like sponges and then started to exhude it themselves, providing a nice steady stream of fear, pain and discomfort to those waiting entities who feed on this energy.
It's a very tricky web of energy.
Aion I feel like you are making this tricky. Why is killing fearful ? why is killing horrific ? im not saying killing is wrong or scary or horrific please don't assume. "ALL" Im saying is that it falls under the identity STS Ra says the start of the STS path is using other self for the benefit of self. I can choose to kill cows and make jackets or i can use hemp and make jackets. The whole idea behind STS is using otherselfs to benefit you regardless of what happens to the enslaved or non elite. Any animal that chooses to be sacrficed can be considered STS they are will to do the bidding of entities who want to manipulate them for their own benefit no ?
please dont misunderstand me when i write im not putting morals or right vs wrong into any of this. Im cleary looking at who is benefiting from the services being carried out and who is not benefiting from the service. Aion do you really believe that the benefit that the chicken im going to eat for dinner tonight is and has experienced the same benefit as I the one who will devour this chicken ? If you believe its the same than i totally understand you line of thinking, if you think the benefit isn't a 50/50 ratio I don't understand how you can see it as anything other than STS
STS to me is when you use otherselfs to benefit youself in an unfair ratio. meaning its not 50/50. what is STS to you Aion ?
Also to everyone who talks of sacrifice and blood magic and so on and so forth all of that is STS like really lolz other than pain what benefit does the one being sacrifice experience ? . Think about if i hunt an animal who benefits ? Im not saying its right or wrong but who benefits ? its all about how you treat otherselfs not how you think about otherselfs. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Action carry more energy than thoughts alone.