09-05-2015, 01:13 PM
(09-04-2015, 12:12 PM)anagogy Wrote: You also have to think about it in terms of: how far do you want to take this not having the veil thing? What I mean is: say there is no veil, and humans were vegan, at what point does it become "against the instinctual nature of 3rd density" to eat a conscious life-form? There are many 2nd density beings, and 1st density minerals. Trees are late 2nd density beings, which may become enspirited and gain self aware characteristics. At which point does a given point of consciousness attain a degree of consciousness sufficient that it would not be eaten by a self aware entity?
I mean, what about bugs? Is it okay to eat bugs? Bacteria? Fish? Could a vegetable gain sentience? Interesting questions.
My opinion: 2nd density beings on the lower end of the spectrum were still ingested to an extent.
Those are all very good questions!
My theory is that wild animals are, for the most part, developing sentience, and when one of them gets separated from the flock or herd and caught and killed by a predator, that jolts them info full-blown self-awareness, and never again are they operating solely on instinct. (Though some vestiges of instinct may remain.)
This brings us to a deeper question: These wild animals aren't veiled, and yet they still kill one another. They have No choice but do it for survival. A lion isn't being cruel when he kills a deer. He is behaving the way he was designed to. Why? Why was this reality designed this way in the first place?
I don't know the answer to that but sure would like to ask the Logos someday.
In the meantime, what we do know is that WE are evolved enough to at least somewhat understand this stuff. We aren't lions in the wild.
Getting back to the topic of this thread, the question is: What were our human ancestors like? Did they make conscious choices like we do? Or did they lose some of their ability for understanding higher concepts when they got veiled? Did they just continue on, with the same consciousness they had on Mars or Maldek or wherever they came from, or did they lost progress and backslide into cavemen, barely more evolved than apes?
Or, and now here's a wild idea: Did they actually backslide lower in consciousness than apes? I mean, think about it: Apes are mostly vegan. The Mars/Maldek/etc. souls just came from a very bloody planetary annihilation. They were accustomed to violence! So did they take the peaceful, vegan ape body and turn it into a hunter/predator?? :idea:
Evolutionists think in terms of only physical evolution. But we know that's Not how it works. We know that 3D souls, who had already experienced many lifetimes as beings similar to us, were stuck here on this planet, and just used the existing ape body. So we have this barbaric, violent group of juvenile delinquents basically bringing all their garbage with them to this planet! No wonder the planet is in such a mess now!
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