08-14-2015, 11:00 AM
I think it probably works like fasting to remove a thoughtform, but I still think fasting from food might work better because you can deny yourself sexual gratification to an extent that it becomes extremely repressed, but you can only deny yourself food for a couple of days before your hit your limit hah. I've actually never fasted though. Like how long for the assumed celibacy is suggested?
It makes me wonder Carla's experience in dealing with a situation or if it was something she intuited. Was Don addicted to porn and this is why he chose to be celibate? (doubtful of course, but curious) Carla herself loved to read romance novels regularly (lady porn). Of course there is a gradient with pornography, obviously one should know if what they enjoy watching is indicative of an imbalance (possession/domination/etc) which can lead to more catalyst, or an addiction (even more catalyst). It just seems a bit incongruous to me that if one has an overactive red-ray exasperated by watching porn that they should then be celibate? I mean, isn't the problem with most people that consume too much porn that they're not getting the quantity of sex they desire, so the solution is that they should get none? I can see how flipping the switch to the other extreme will lead to eventual balancing (chronic masturbation to no orgasm), but I think you have to be in a really good frame of mind and rather balanced elsewhere to be able to pull something like that off without causing more problems in the long run.
Porn addiction creates real psychological ruts in people and it's very difficult to get over. I think quitting cold turkey with most addictions works for some, but there are other paths to balance. The paradox being that Ra advocates one not forcefully overcome any desires, but also gives the balancing technique of experiencing opposites. I think maybe the former technique is more appropriate for a neophyte and the latter for an adept. Just my opinion.
Re: overcoming desires
Re: balancing techniques
So, sequentially, one must have a good grasp on the mind before it can try to grasp bodily impulses.
re: fasting
So the body must be viewed as a link between the spirit and the mind, as a vehicle for information between the two.
It makes me wonder Carla's experience in dealing with a situation or if it was something she intuited. Was Don addicted to porn and this is why he chose to be celibate? (doubtful of course, but curious) Carla herself loved to read romance novels regularly (lady porn). Of course there is a gradient with pornography, obviously one should know if what they enjoy watching is indicative of an imbalance (possession/domination/etc) which can lead to more catalyst, or an addiction (even more catalyst). It just seems a bit incongruous to me that if one has an overactive red-ray exasperated by watching porn that they should then be celibate? I mean, isn't the problem with most people that consume too much porn that they're not getting the quantity of sex they desire, so the solution is that they should get none? I can see how flipping the switch to the other extreme will lead to eventual balancing (chronic masturbation to no orgasm), but I think you have to be in a really good frame of mind and rather balanced elsewhere to be able to pull something like that off without causing more problems in the long run.
Porn addiction creates real psychological ruts in people and it's very difficult to get over. I think quitting cold turkey with most addictions works for some, but there are other paths to balance. The paradox being that Ra advocates one not forcefully overcome any desires, but also gives the balancing technique of experiencing opposites. I think maybe the former technique is more appropriate for a neophyte and the latter for an adept. Just my opinion.
Re: overcoming desires
Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”
Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.
The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.
The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.
All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.
It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.
Re: balancing techniques
Quote:5.2 Questioner: We have decided to accept, if offered, the honor/duty of learning/teaching the healing process. I would ask as to the first step which we should accomplish in becoming effective healers.
Ra: I am Ra. We shall begin with the first of the three teachings/learnings.
We begin with the mental learn/teachings necessary for contact with intelligent infinity. The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.
Within the door lies an hierarchical construction you may liken unto geography and in some ways geometry, for the hierarchy is quite regular, bearing inner relationships.
To begin to master the concept of mental discipline it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.
The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already-distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.
The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work.
The next step is the acceptance of the other-self polarities, which mirrors the second step.
These are the first four steps of learning mental discipline. The fifth step involves observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios of the mind, the other mind, the mass mind, and the infinite mind.
The second area of learn/teaching is the study/understanding of the body complexes. It is necessary to know your body well. This is a matter of using the mind to examine how the feelings, the biases, what you would call the emotions, affect various portions of the body complex. It shall be necessary to both understand the bodily polarities and to accept them, repeating in a chemical/physical manifestation the work you have done upon the mind bethinking the consciousness.
The body is a creature of the mind’s creation. It has its biases. The biological bias must be first completely understood and then the opposite bias allowed to find full expression in understanding. Again, the process of acceptance of the body as a balanced, as well as polarized, individual may then be accomplished.
It is then the task to extend this understanding to the bodies of the other-selves whom you will meet. The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male. This is a simple example. However, in almost every case wherein you are attempting the understanding of the body of self or other-self, you will again find that the most subtle discernment is necessary in order to fully grasp the polarity complexes involved.
At this time we would suggest closing the description until the next time of work so that we may devote time to the third area commensurate with its importance.
We can answer a query if it is a short one before we leave this instrument.
So, sequentially, one must have a good grasp on the mind before it can try to grasp bodily impulses.
re: fasting
Quote:In addition, though this has not been mentioned, for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.
So the body must be viewed as a link between the spirit and the mind, as a vehicle for information between the two.
Quote:41.21 Questioner: You mentioned in the last session that fasting was a method of removing unwanted thought-forms. Can you expand on this process and explain a little more about how this works?
Ra: I am Ra. This, as all healing techniques, must be used by a conscious being; that is, a being conscious that the ridding of excess and unwanted material from the body complex is the analogy to the ridding of mind or spirit of excess or unwanted material. Thus the one discipline or denial of the unwanted portion as an appropriate part of the self is taken through the tree of mind down through the trunk to subconscious levels where the connection is made and thus the body, mind, and spirit, then in unison, express denial of the excess or unwanted spiritual or mental material as part of the entity.
All then falls away and the entity, while understanding, if you will, and appreciating the nature of the rejected material as part of the greater self, nevertheless, through the action of the will purifies and refines the mind/body/spirit complex, bringing into manifestation the desired mind complex or spirit complex attitude.