Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

[unity100]

No, you don't understand. I never said you can close infinity. I just suggested it is closed in the way that nothing can go in or go out. It is an isolated system in the sense that there is no possible system outside of it. This is your definition of infinity I just rephrased it.

i didnt misunderstand. what you are missing is, infinity is a concept that includes going in, going out, and 'going out of infinity' and 'going into infinity'. the definition of infinity requires it to be infinite in all respects.

you are still considering infinity like as if it was some entity. it is not an entity. it is not even a concept. it is something that has the very thing we know as 'concept' as a subset, including the concept known as a 'subset'.

Again, you missed the point... I said your existence defines the universe AS YOU EXPERIENCE IT... If you don't exist there is no experience for you. If your existence changes then the other entities that are affecting the universe affect your experience in a different way.

that is if i dont exist in the manner we know existence to be in this particular universe, continuum, locale.

if, i happen to be anything else, any concept within infinity, then my interactions would be relevant to whatever set that holds my concept. that includes existence, as a concept.

the very thing we know as existence is defined in a certain way. if you dont interact with anything, you dont exist.

Therefore YOU define the rest of the universe. All other possibilities and existences. Whether Schrödinger's cat is dead or alive depends on your perspective. Which alternative timeline did you follow? Where are you in time space and probability?

This is relatively simple temporal physics lol.. Never watched doctor who?

first of all, these are all concepts, laws, governances related to our own locale even within this universe. they may or may not be universal for this universe, the chances are low that they are not valid elsewhere, even in parallel universes.

secondly, i cannot 'define' universe, without having anything to define it with. my 'experience's and perception of the events outside me, are still given to me as concepts within this universe. i need the concepts to perceive the universe, and that includes the concept we know as 'perception'.

if there wasnt the concept perception given, i wouldnt be able to perceive anything, including me, myself.

Existence is relative, something exists relative to you. Does Schrödinger's cat still exist? Or is he dead? I don't know... Where are you?

refer to above.

even the concept existence is something given for this universe, and how many other concepts/creations/locales it is given to.

I hope I've showed you now that this is true only from a very limited 3d perspective, not from a multidimensional perspective.

no, you havent, for you are just trying to perceive infinity, with the concepts and tools that are native to this particular universe. this includes the concept what we know as 'physics'.

with that approach, your mind gets limited to whatever perspective you are using, and you only stay in that boundary.

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like in the earlier discussions, you need to break all the perceptive basis you are using, for venturing forth into infinity.

infinity, is infinite. any that is not infinite in its entirety, even the concept we call as 'entirety', has to be subsets of it.

this is where it starts.

You're saying :
Infinity cannot create...
Everything that exists exists inside infinity. Nothing is apart from infinity.
Ergo, nothing can create.

Yet humans can create as evidenced by the existence of that word and your argument is therefore wrong.

infinity cannot create. even the concept 'create' is contained within infinity, in its infinite number of forms.

a subset of infinity, is finite, and it is not infinity.

a human, is a subset of infinity. none of them, are infinite.

You're right here... That which is created must exist within infinity... Therefore, from the perspective of infinity... As I already explained. The principle of creation an infinite perspective is vastly different from what we think it to be....

infinity doesnt change with perspective. it needs to be infinite in all regards.

'creation from an infinite perspective' is also another concept, a thing, that is found within infinity in its multiple forms. the act, which you are attributing to infinity, is a subset of it. not only that, but it has all of its forms already present therein, making it impossible for infinity to be anything different than itself, containing every other of the forms of what you speak about.

You deny the relevance of perspective. You ignore the potential that different perspectives which seem to be contradictory can still exist.

'perspective', 'potential', 'different', 'ignoring', 'contradiction' are all concepts that exist in infinite number of forms, within infinity.

even the entire concept you name in the above quote, is also a subset of infinity.

therefore, it is impossible for infinity, to be anything but infinity, holding and containing all of these, already in their infinite forms.

thus, infinity cannot be anything than itself. it cannot engage in anything, it cannot be anything, it cannot have a perspective, it cant contradict, because infinity contains infinite forms of all of these, and being any different than this, would mean that it is not infinite anymore, since it wouldnt be able to contain any other forms of that particular concept.

like in the zen example sometimes voiced in this forum ; if you can name it, its not zen.

if you can put any adjective to something, it cannot be infinity. infinity, is infinite.

Not true... Obviously not true... If a single human can jump over a fence. Then humanity has the ability to perform the "jump over a fence" act... If elements inside infinity can create.. Then infinity can create.

and again, humanity is not infinite.

infinity, before that humanity jumped over a fence, had contained the concept you know as jumping, concept you know as humanity, concept you know as time, and the infinite number of forms of the concept you name as 'a single human jumping over a fence'.

infinity didnt jump. one of its subsets, interacted with another. while that was happening, infinite number of variations of that happening was happening in infinite different forms, and had had happened, and were going to happen, within infinity.

This is what I said earlier... That you define your counterpart by who you are... Since infinity needs to be infinite everything that defines you immediately defines your counterpart.

You can't understand infinity without these concepts. It's like studying humans by ignoring those pesky emotions.

you cannot understand infinity in its entirety, never, forever. it will take infinite amount of change, something akin which we call time.

you can only think what is infinite and what is not. the result comes up as, only infinity is infinite. anything that is its subset, is finite, even if they are growing towards infinity in an infinite speed. it will take infinite amount of time to reach infinity, therefore, any subset of infinity becomes infinite in progression and existence, yet, cannot encompass infinity at any given point.

Again... unless you take perspective into account... All the different things are the same things in different TIME SPACE POSSIBILITY vectors... This is why they are different things to you!

and again, even what you call 'perspective' and the states in which there can be 'different' perspectives, are concepts within infinity. infinity had been containing all of them forever, in their infinite numbers of forms.

Exactly.... So explain why I exist... I am part of the infinite am I not? Because if I was not, the infinite would not be infinite it would be infinite minus me. Yet you claim the infinite cannot manifest. And yet it does because I am very clearly manifest.

infinity is not manifesting. infinite amounts of its subsets, being in infinite amounts of states including, but not limited to what you call as 'manifesting', make up the entirety of infinity.

so, it is not manifesting, its subsets are. also, there are subsets of it that are being in states that are totally different and irrelevant to manifesting, from our 'perspective' that we understand manifesting.

Can you not see it has to be? Those illusory finities you mention ARE the infinite.. There is nothing else that can be.... Ergo you are infinity. I am infinity, everyone here is infinity.

The Law of One... Not the law of many things that complicatedly work together... ONE...

True.. Ape mind has no chance to understand.. Unless it is guided by something else, other than ape mind... Something many people use with reliable repeatable results. Like I said, it's been explained before, you've always rejected the reality of that thing.

had ape mind has no chance to understand, we wouldnt be talking these things, or even glimpsing these things.

yet we are. that means, we can understand it, as much as we can understand it.

and we are understanding it as much as we are understanding it, as of this moment.

having to be infinite, in order to be infinite, doesnt require any kind of mind tool. capability of abstract thought, which is gained apparently in late stages of 2d and early stages of 3d, is enough.

you are confusing 'understanding infinite variations that are contained within infinity' and the concept of infinity with each other. currently you can do the latter, however, you will never be able to do the former, regardless of which octave you are in, and what kind of tool you use for abstract thought.

that is finite, can never encompass infinite. it doesnt matter if the finiteness is dubbed 'illusory' or not.

You may think that the infinite is unchangeable.. And this is correct. But your understanding of it is not.. You may think that the infinite can only exist in one way. But your perspective on it changes as you evolve through the densities.

infinity is not tied to my perspective. even when my perspective has changed infinite amount of times, infinity will still be infinite, and it would have contained the concept/act that is 'my perspective changing infinite amount of times', even before it happened. it will also be containing all the states of it is happening, and going to be happening.

It's that perspective thing... You have a certain point of view, I have another... My point of view is guided by my experiences. Peregrinus describes his by stating "I have seen The One Creator in the darkness, alone and by Itself, having The Original Thought, and beginning to create that which we know as Creation" He didn't say he deduced this with logic... Experience you makes it clear that this is not intellectual masturbation he has experienced this. They saw it. I agree with them... I've seen this same principle too. The logic you see above is adapted to convert that experience into third density concepts, it is not a substitute for the experience.

ra states, infinite intelligence created this octave in densities containing and expressing a distinct nature/feeling of creation. each step, carries a certain feeling/understanding of creation.

from the stage of 'me' to stage of communication and wisdom, all stages carry a distinct flavor and feeling. yet, working with or experiencing any of these stages' associated feeling, does not make an entity the entirety of its concept.

working with me energy in 2d doesnt make all the entities existing in the universe 'me'.

working with love does not make an entity the concept we know as love.

working with blue ray doesnt make an entity the concept we know as 'communication'.

similarly, working with and feeling the effect and meaning of what we call indigo ray, the ray of 6th density unison/unity, does not make an entity entirety of existence, infinity.

same will go for 7th density and all the others above it. experiencing and feeling the effects of particular aspects associated with a density, will not make an entity or any number of entities experiencing and feeling these associations, the entirety of that aspect, leave aside, the entirety of infinity.

Monkey mind has little chance of figuring out the eternal variables... Fortunately monkey mind is not all we have. You seem to think it is all we have... You are wrong there.

monkey mind has no difference in regard to the construction of what we call as mind, in any density. the archetype of mind, stays constantly same in structure, even if a bit modified for every locale depending on preference of its logos.

a 6th density using the same archetype in regard to mind from a logos will be using the same archetype that a 2nd density entity uses.