(09-01-2010, 02:15 AM)seagrass Wrote: I prefer as well to stick to the traditional astrology teachings I have learned to use. On occasion I will try different chart types to see if it resonates or seems to hold some value. But I wanted to make one point. Astrology is and has not deviated from astronomy. Both "branches" one of science and one of metaphysics/psychology use what is called an Ephemeris. This is a plotting of the planets in sign and degree. There is no discrepancy on the placement or whereabouts of the planets in the sky as we measure them. Both branches agree on where and what is in the sky.
meaning that if the earth wobbles...and we know about it.. it will be reflected in the Ephemeris as a mathematical calculation.
With all due respect of each to their own path...Astrology's traditional wheel is not that traditional. It became a fixed wheel a bit under 2000 years ago and was made mainly for conveniences. Each 'signs' was given equal amounts of space (for convenience) and the constellation of Ophiuchus was left out because 13 signs did not fit well into a equally divided wheel.
My point is that the ancients depended on observances. The LOO talks about how we are tied/connected to the spheres by something like a braided hair. If a person goes to an astrology site right now, they are going to tell them the Sun is in Virgo. That person may go outside and stand in front of what they think is a Virgo Sun. Unless they research rather or not they are getting true information of the true positions of the cosmos, they would not know that they are actually facing Leo and not Virgo.
Right now Astrology says that Mars and Venus are in Libra. If someone was to go out and look for Libra, they will be surprised to not find Mars nor Venus there waiting on them.
Dealing with quantum energies and how energetic particles behave when a observer is present, I suggest that a person knows what they are observing.
We have tons of people today that think they are looking at a Spring Equinox Sun moving into Aquarius. It will be another 500 years before the Spring Equinox Sun sits in Aquarius.
Ancients were a bit obsessed with the observations of the sky and this is what they used...not a fixed wheel. One observance that was very important to them was the 'new moon' for many cultures started months and years with the observance of a 'new moon'.
Astrology is a imaginary wheel....it does not represent the true night sky in any way. Only 20% of the time will astrology and astronomy show matches in the positions.
You can use Ephemeris on an Astrological wheel....but this will not match up with where astronomy says a planet is. Astrological and Astronomical wheels are very different....and one is completely imaginary, having no real reflection to the night sky.
I also dont think people should give other people readings. It is a path of self and offering a reading to someone can mislead them. I dont think the cosmos set out paths as in can tell our future...I think they are there for us to work with the energies.
People dont take a change well...and this is a huge change for some. Some like tradition, even though that tradition was not the way the cosmos were used long ago. The traditional astrology is fairly new, using a fixed wheel that never changes nor represents the true perspective of the cosmos from Earth.
I hope I dont seem harsh...I have no intention of ill will. I just dont think many realize that astrology wheels are a imaginary representation of the night sky.
Yes both practices/sciences uses the Ephemeris to determine the degree of a sphere on a wheel...but my point is that the ancients used the information of the true night sky, not an imaginary wheel. The astrological wheel will not match the positions given on a astronomical wheel but 20% of the time.
I dont mention this so much for debate...but for others that may not understand there are differences. Something else a person would not know using astrology is that Mercury is retrograding in Sextans. They would tell you Mercury is in retrograde...but would not tell you its retrograding in a sign outside the wheel, names Sextans. I just think things like this are important.
