Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Sure, there are Ra wanderers around, but that's not the same as Ra speaking as a whole.

It's fashionable to assume that one is a Wanderer, and even more fashionable, and even prestigious, to proclaim that one is a Ra Wanderer!

It's more just a matter of respect in my mind. Like in every day life I think it's rude to speak for others. So far I haven't encountered anyone whom can genuinely and purely channel Ra on their own so I can only assume the words here are not specifically their own. So when people use Ra as an authority figure, I have to question it.

I agree. All any of us can do is interpret Ra's words, and even then, there is obviously a lot of disagreement on interpretation. I admit I have a pet peeve about taking a single quote and extrapolating from that an entire dogma, while leaving out the rest of the Material. It's bad enough when Christians do that with their bible, but the Ra Material is so much more deep, complex and profound, it's a disservice to reduce it to quick soundbites and rules, like they do with religions.

If anything I just wanted to bring the discussion more towards ourselves rather than always standing behind Ra.

I agree. In the context of this discussion, any other observations, information, compassion, and even common sense all go out the window, all because of 2 quotes by Ra, which were both directed to a particular person (Carla) in 2 particular situations (spasms and depleted vital energies after ingesting LSD), in response to a particular question (how to reduce spasms and restore vital energies). That's it. That's what those quotes were about. In NO way do those 2 quotes condone the eating of meat for everyone, or even for Carla on a daily basis! Furthermore, Ra was even specific about the kinds of meat she could eat (non-fatty fish), and Ra even gave a stipulation that it be occasional.

Even when asked about the diet for humans in general, Ra still gave a caution: to the extent necessary. And, Ra chose a different term: animal products instead of the term meat. Why? Ra, who is sooooo careful in their choice of words! Why didn't Ra just say meat if they wanted to give their blessing about eating animals?

No cautions are given for plant foods; only animal products.

Now, lest you accuse me of speaking for Ra    I will let Ra speak for themselves:

18.2 Questioner: Can you tell me what the chemical substance is that was ingested? Causes poor contact?
Ra: I am Ra. This is not a clear query. Could you please restate?

18.3 Questioner: You just stated that you had some problems with the instrument because of the ingestion by the instrument of some chemical substance. Can you tell me what the substance was?
Ra: I am Ra. The substance of which we speak is called vibratory sound complex, LSD. It does not give poor contact if it is used in conjunction with the contact. The difficulty of this particular substance is that there is, shall we say, a very dramatic drop-off of the effect of this substance. In each case this instrument began the session with the distortion towards extreme vital energy which this substance produces. However, this entity was, during the session, at the point where this substance no longer was in sufficient strength to amplify the entity’s abilities to express vital energy. Thus, first the phenomenon of, shall we say, a spotty contact and then, as the instrument relies again upon its own vibrational complexes of vital energy, the vital energy being in this case very low, it became necessary to abruptly cut off communication in order to preserve and nurture the instrument. This particular chemical substance is both helpful and unhelpful in these contacts for the causes given.

18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?
Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

Several observations may be made:

1. As we all know, Carla had poor health to begin with
2. Carla's vital energy got even more depleted after taking LSD
3. The question was how to help her regain her vital energy in this situation (NOT necessarily all the time! but in this situation of extremely low vital energy! This is an important distinction and falls under the category of to the extent necessary for individual metabolism.)
3. Ra answered by saying to ingest grains and vegetables. No cautions were given. Clearly, Carla could eat as much as she wanted of grains and veggies.
4. Along with grains and veggies, occasional meat would lessen her low vital energy; ie. raise her energy.

There is no question that meat is a concentrated source of nutrients. Some Asian practitioners consider meat to be medicinal only; never for everyday use. It is only given to extremely weak, extremely sick people to restore vitality fast. Again, this falls under the category of to the extent necessary for individual metabolism.

Am I speaking for Ra when I make some simple observations about their words? Can anyone disagree with my 4 points above?

Next meat reference:

102.16 Questioner: Would Ra please mention which foods are highly probable in not causing any spasming in the instrument’s digestive system?
Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

Again I offer some obvious observations:

1. Again, this is a specific question about a particular person: Carla
2. It's a question about Carla's specific ailment: digestive spasms
3. The only meat mentioned was non-fatted fish.
4. Ra never said that all humans could enjoy as much meat as they wished. Ra never mentioned meat at all, in the context of anyone but Carla.

That's pretty much all we can say about this quote, sticking only to Ra's words. Those are the only 2 references to the word meat in the Material.

To take those 2 quotes and try to justify eating meat - all kinds of meat - on a daily basis, is quite a stretch! Never did Ra recommend meat for all humans. Ra only recommended occasional meat for Carla in these particular instances, and even then, was careful to caution that it only be occasional.

Now, my own interpretation of this is that Ra was working with Carla where she was at. Notice that Ra didn't reprimand Carla for taking LSD. Does that mean that Ra 'approves' or 'recommends' LSD for everyone, any time, every day? That would be a stretch!

At any rate, has the Law of One become such a religion that these 2 quotes completely override everything else Ra has told us about Service to Others and the evolution of 2D to 3D? Not to mention what is right here in front of our noses: The reality of the obscenity of the meat industry, in terms of what it is doing to the planet, to people's health, and, oh yeah, to our younger brethren - those same entities whose call Ra has answered.

So while Ra thinks that 2D entities are evolved enough and important enough to actually answer their call...not to mention aware enough to call in the first place!!! so-called Ra Wanderers are supporting the torture and killing of them...for what?? Because they're extremely sick like Carla? Even then, it would only be occasional fish, at best, if one wanted to follow what Ra told Carla. But no, in most cases, it isn't because they're sick...it's because they like the taste of bacon! and because they think 2D entities don't matter...they're only 2D...never mind that Ra answered the call of 2D entities! So Ra answers their call and we torture and kill the very beings Ra is answering???

Does anyone else see the contradiction here?

I contend that using these 2 quotes to try to justify meat-eating is nothing but a cop-out.

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