Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

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It actually does... This is called the holistic principle.

Look at it this way. As soon as you have a closed infinite whole as you suggest where nothing can come in and nothing can leave. Then any subset that becomes manifest must immediately manifest it's conjunct...

therein lies a problem. you cant 'close' infinity. infinity is infinite. whatever that can be or has been or will be is already existing in the infinity. 'nothing can come in and nothing can leave' are invalid, in infinity, there are states exist where everything can leave, and everything can come. 'being able to come' and 'leaving' are also concepts that exist in infinite varieties within infinity.

just as monica puts it aptly, if you can name and identify something, and give it any kind of attribute, it cant be infinity. because, infinity cannot have any attribute pertaining to its own entirety, other than being infinite.

Not only do you exist... Your existence defines the universe as you experience it.... See the two halves? The ancients described this: "As above so below" Now nothing in you or your conjunct can be changed without changing the other.

my existence, along with all the entities existing in this universe, and along with all the entities existing outside this universe but affecting it, and the entities which are wherever they are but affecting those entities that are affecting the entities affecting this universe, are all creating and defining this universe.

its not only 'me'.

The bird entity exists within your perspective therefore it exists... The bird has it's own perspective and existence. But this is not the same as yours. The monitor has it's own perspective and existence. But again it's not the same as yours. Some parts of what you'd call internal to the bird would be internal to you, others would be external. Parts of what you'd call external to the bird would be internal to you and other parts external... At any rate, the way you perceive the bird depends completely on what you are and your perspective. You could even say that the perceived "birdness" is implicit to you, and much less to the bird.

the bird, regardless of my or its perspective, still exists, even in the manner you speak about.

the understanding of that existence being different from our mutual perspectives, doesnt make the existence of the bird go away. it makes, perception of that existence and its effects in regard to internal spiritual world, different. yet, the effect exists, therefore, an entity doing that effect exists.

I don't deny that they are concepts within infinity.. In a way you're denying that.. You're claiming that the infinite cannot create thus creation is not part of the infinite. I claim it can. I claim that the process of creating as seen in our 3d experience is a distortion of the process of creating as it would be seen in 7d or 8d..

im not claiming, im saying that, infinity cannot create. the supposed activity of creation, creating that the infinity is supposed to take, has to already exist within infinity BEFORE any act is taken, for infinity to be infinity before that. therefore, because, already that state, action, not only as in the state of existing entities that were to be a result of that creation, but even the concepts of creating, and creation, and entity also exist within the infinity itself.

the only way to be infinite, is to be infinite in every way. therefore, everything that can and cannot be exist within infinity, and therefore, no kind of action or activity can be undertaken, because, even the concepts we call action, activity are concepts within infinity.

im not saying creation is not part of the infinite by the way. that is your misplacement. what im saying is, what i said above.

anything that can engage in ANY kind of activity, cannot be infinite.

anything that can be identified by adding ANY kind of adjective to the concept infinity, cannot be infinite.

I used Xeno's paradox as related to motion to clarify things. When the infinite creates.. It is not like in 3d where something appears to suddenly begin existence... It is that "within the infinite the conditions are such that" finite creatures with a particular perspective can perceive this sudden start of existence. And this is creation from the perspective of the infinite... Cool isn't it?

In a way it's similar to the peekaboo game babies play... Their simpler perspective means you do not exist when you're not visible. To them you're really appearing and disappearing. Creating and destroying yourself.

this is where our planes of discussion fall apart and cant meet. you are still applying concepts within infinity to infinite, and actually trying to measure or arrange it and compare it.

you cannot compare infinity. even the concept comparison, is something that exists within infinity, because infinity, is infinite.

paradox is a concept that exists within infinity. also, its counterpart also exists within infinity. because, infinity needs to be infinite.

anything that you can name or think of or use, has to be concepts or entities (both are same actually) existing within infinity. none of them can be infinity, and, also, no state that any of these can describe or identify, can be infinity in its entirety.

only infinite number of concepts and their counterparts can come together to form infinity. that is infinite.

it would be easier if you have dropped this motion, time, movement, space understanding filled approach to infinity, and just reduce all of them to concepts, and everything to concepts and then analyze on these.

the key is, for infinite to be infinite, anything and nothing, has to be within it. nothing aside from infinity, can constitute infinity in any manner or form.

This is your understanding. I believe it to be wrong. Every single part IS the whole.. Look up Indra's pearls....

if every single part was the whole, there would be no creation or anything else, because everything would be the same.

definition of infinity makes infinity impossible to manifest in any form but infinity. this includes the so called 'illusory' finities.

yet we stare at our monitors now. things, exist, in the manner we know so far from the concept 'existence'. therefore, everything is not the whole.

I know, you believe there is nothing but ape mind.. You've explained this on various occasions. I told you in those occasions that I believe there is more. You never accept that or even entertain the idea... So I won't explain it to you now.

Do understand that I didn't claim ape mind cannot PERCEIVE anything above 3d... I claimed it cannot perceive anything above 3d in an undistorted fashion. Similar to the dimensions in math. You can very much perceive a 4 dimensional cube... But to you it'd be a curious 3 dimensional shape.

then that would also apply to your understanding of every finite thing being the infinite whole themselves.

Oh it matters a great deal.....

When I raise the hand on my right, and you're in front of me you see the hand to the left of me move up. If you were behind me you'd see the hand to the right of me move up...

Perspective is one of the primary distortions... It's obvious that perspective matters. Without perspective it is either impossible to perceive anything at all, or we perceive a thing in it's totality, unfolded along all it's possible perspectives.

ali,

we are talking about infinity. not its infinite number of sub distortions.

there is nothing not to perceive about it as a concept, with ape mind, there is nothing differing in the concept's perception in 6th density, there wont be any difference in concept's perception in 7 octaves later than this creation :

infinity, is infinite. for it to be infinite, everything has to be parts of it. 'thing' here being even concepts, thoughts, ideas, laws of nature, any kind of thing that can be interacted with. and also, things that cannot be interacted with.

in short

'infinity, is infinite'

Either way, the differences between looking at something from 3d and looking at something from 6d the way I understand them are enormous.

infinity doesnt change its nature from where you look at it. it still is infinite, before you look at it, and after you look at it. even the concept of looking at something, contemplating, thinking about it or perception are things that are in infinity.