How wonderful to hear back so quickly my good 3D,
I believe that indeed Ra's usage of density is analogous to our understanding of the word dimension, as each have been used interchangeably by them several times. But I believe density to be utilized more as regards consciousness within a dimension. For example, all creatures on earth, whether in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd density, exist in 3rd dimension. But 1st density exists as mineral (i.e. fire, water, earth, air, etc) albeit in 3rd dimension, as does 2nd density(i.e. plant/animal) albeit in 3rd dimension, as does man with his ability to self actualize as a result of self-consciousness, again albeit fully in 3rd density and in 3rd dimension. But, to the man with the greater consciousness earned by degree of integrity to the path is the greater light awarded in awareness, i.e. consciousness, and thus is he at a greater octave in 3rd density by vibration playing as if the "Tee" key (7th note), while his brethren still struggles playing the "Doe" key (first note) of the eight notes in the 3rd density with 8 octaves of Doe-Ra-Me-Fa-So-La-Tee-Doe. Vibration in this context is as good of a word as is octave, or note, as in the eight notes of an octave each scaling in higher pitch and tone as it reaches the next octave . All are partially activated in varying levels of 1-8 octaves, inclusive of man in 3rd density, as well as are the creatures more or less fully activated in 2nd density with 1-8 octaves, as are the "things"/elements activated in 1st density 1-8 octaves.
I get the Big "O" verses the little "o"(no pun intended ladies), but you have lost me on two counts: (1) with "they" being Ra, or "they" being The Guadians? But "they" in both cases are irrespectively indeed beyond our Octave, as they are both well beyond our density as well. (2) Where you suggest that "o"ctave may be synonymous with density? It is not.
The question is, which "octave" are we(earth) in, not withstanding that we are in fact in the 3rd density and dimension. Forgive me for either misunderstanding, or for being presumptuous, but it seems I believe you may indeed be confusing the word Density with the word Octave? I may be very wrong. But if I may, in the chance that I am indeed acting on a false presumption by assuming the mixing of words, and not intending to be lecturey, I believe Ra does indeed mix the words Density with Dimension, but not Octave with Density. Without meaning to assert what I assume is my understanding, there are 8 Densities in our creation by this Logos, with each single Density being subdivided into eight separate Octaves within each density. A Chimp for example may be seen as perhaps in the highest Octave of 2nd density, for example, whereas a single celled microbe organism thrashing about under a microscope is perhaps in the 1st Octave of 2nd density. I assume given Earth is preparing and ready for Harvest, notwithstanding that many of it's inhabitants are not, that Earth must presently be in be in the 7th Octave of 3D ready for 8th Octave, analogous to the 1st Octave of 4th density.
H-m-m-m-....I see the confusion. It is a conundrum of words. I understand Ra to mean that the Guardians are indeed located in the dimension/density of 8, this located in 'one' of it's 8 octaves. Perhaps Ra was making a correction here of "This Council is located in the octave, or eighth dimension", or simply they meant, as stated above, that the Council is indeed located in the 8th dimension of 'one' of it's octaves?
Here is where I sense I may be either understanding your confusion, or that I am indeed being presumptuous by continuing to teach/learn. Are you perhaps befuddled by the usage of Octave (certainly inferring the numbering of eight) to mean an Octave is the same as 8th dimension as a result of both inferring the number 8, this by way of the question "what does it mean to exist in the Octave or 8th dimension?
I stand corrected 3D. Ra is clearly at mid sixth as given. Thank you. But it does raise an interesting question in as much as Ra specifically stated that the Guardians were but one octave above themselves. Assuming a numbering of mid 6th to mean roughly 4th octave for example, of 8 octaves in 6th, then the Guardians would only be at the 5th or 6th octave of mid 6th density, and not in the eighth density as given?
Now, we know with certainty that Ra often demonstrated a perplexing dyslexia when it came to numbering. As such dear 3D, we are either both brilliant detectives in our search and prodding of one another, or we are both dysfunctional mystics confusing ourselves, and each other in the process, or one of us is at least slightly more lost than the other, given that we all are lost and searching anyway. But I am happy to search with you my new freidn...I mean friend. Have we uncovered a misstatement Ra left uncorrected or that Don may have missed? It would be reasonable to conclude that it may be so and that a misstatement may be in need of correction, and as a result missed, or that I need a good Law of One spanking and correction in terminology.
Allow us to stay always lighthearted in these learnings/teachings, in as much as I'm willing to expose myself for the blabbering fool I am if you are, all for the purpose of truly desiring to sharpen my blade of understanding to cut quicker to the truth.
Now I feel like a having a Jack Daniels and "Ciga" with you good sir on a big 'ol wrap around poch overlooking the mossy green trees hangin sleepily on a gentle river bank, with both of us dressed no less in white suites and in rockin chairs pontificatin in tha aftanoon sun about God and women in the full knowledge that both will foweva remain an enigma and that we'll never undastand eitha.
Actually, to be fair and in keeping with the lecture and teach/learning, there would be 6 or 12 octaves, or septaves vs dodecaves per density verses the 6-12 densities per octave. Being the impatient sort that I am, I like the 6 densities better than the 12 as an analogy. Now tell me in this new breath of the 6 densities that the sun revolves around the central sun in only 2,000 years to make for a quicker graduation.
Lets go have that cigar and that Jack Daniels good sir.
Q
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: [quote='Quantum' pid='1870' dateline='1237785151']
Are you confusing the transcendence of the Octivanals with my intent of the "Densitivanals?" (my new-new word for those densities beyond our eighth density - derived as an extension from your new word of Octivanals - lol).
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Perhaps I am, as clearly Ra frequently uses the two terms interchangeably.
I believe that indeed Ra's usage of density is analogous to our understanding of the word dimension, as each have been used interchangeably by them several times. But I believe density to be utilized more as regards consciousness within a dimension. For example, all creatures on earth, whether in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd density, exist in 3rd dimension. But 1st density exists as mineral (i.e. fire, water, earth, air, etc) albeit in 3rd dimension, as does 2nd density(i.e. plant/animal) albeit in 3rd dimension, as does man with his ability to self actualize as a result of self-consciousness, again albeit fully in 3rd density and in 3rd dimension. But, to the man with the greater consciousness earned by degree of integrity to the path is the greater light awarded in awareness, i.e. consciousness, and thus is he at a greater octave in 3rd density by vibration playing as if the "Tee" key (7th note), while his brethren still struggles playing the "Doe" key (first note) of the eight notes in the 3rd density with 8 octaves of Doe-Ra-Me-Fa-So-La-Tee-Doe. Vibration in this context is as good of a word as is octave, or note, as in the eight notes of an octave each scaling in higher pitch and tone as it reaches the next octave . All are partially activated in varying levels of 1-8 octaves, inclusive of man in 3rd density, as well as are the creatures more or less fully activated in 2nd density with 1-8 octaves, as are the "things"/elements activated in 1st density 1-8 octaves.
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: I must say though, that each time I read that particular line, my intuitive interpretation is as I have stated, they are beyond this Octave (I will refer from now on to the big "O"ctave, or the mysterious next octave of existence as distinct from the little "o"ctave synonymous with density).
I get the Big "O" verses the little "o"(no pun intended ladies), but you have lost me on two counts: (1) with "they" being Ra, or "they" being The Guadians? But "they" in both cases are irrespectively indeed beyond our Octave, as they are both well beyond our density as well. (2) Where you suggest that "o"ctave may be synonymous with density? It is not.
The question is, which "octave" are we(earth) in, not withstanding that we are in fact in the 3rd density and dimension. Forgive me for either misunderstanding, or for being presumptuous, but it seems I believe you may indeed be confusing the word Density with the word Octave? I may be very wrong. But if I may, in the chance that I am indeed acting on a false presumption by assuming the mixing of words, and not intending to be lecturey, I believe Ra does indeed mix the words Density with Dimension, but not Octave with Density. Without meaning to assert what I assume is my understanding, there are 8 Densities in our creation by this Logos, with each single Density being subdivided into eight separate Octaves within each density. A Chimp for example may be seen as perhaps in the highest Octave of 2nd density, for example, whereas a single celled microbe organism thrashing about under a microscope is perhaps in the 1st Octave of 2nd density. I assume given Earth is preparing and ready for Harvest, notwithstanding that many of it's inhabitants are not, that Earth must presently be in be in the 7th Octave of 3D ready for 8th Octave, analogous to the 1st Octave of 4th density.
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: There are other similarly ambiguous quotes that imply the Guardians are from beyond our Octave, for instance in the rather unique reference to the "8th dimension or octave" of the planet Saturn, in the following quote:
[quote='Ra Book I, Session 6']
Questioner: Where is this Council located?
Ra: I am Ra. This Council is located in the octave, or eighth dimension, of the planet Saturn, taking its place in an area which you understand in third dimension terms as the rings.
H-m-m-m-....I see the confusion. It is a conundrum of words. I understand Ra to mean that the Guardians are indeed located in the dimension/density of 8, this located in 'one' of it's 8 octaves. Perhaps Ra was making a correction here of "This Council is located in the octave, or eighth dimension", or simply they meant, as stated above, that the Council is indeed located in the 8th dimension of 'one' of it's octaves?
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: So what does it mean to exist in the Octave or 8th dimension?
Here is where I sense I may be either understanding your confusion, or that I am indeed being presumptuous by continuing to teach/learn. Are you perhaps befuddled by the usage of Octave (certainly inferring the numbering of eight) to mean an Octave is the same as 8th dimension as a result of both inferring the number 8, this by way of the question "what does it mean to exist in the Octave or 8th dimension?
(03-23-2009, 01:12 AM)Quantum Wrote: By this I understand Ra to mean that the third group is 'simply one single octave' above their own, meaning either the Octave above the 7th that Ra is presently in is either still in 7th, but clearly at a higher Octave in 7th, or, even if Ra is in the 2nd to last Octave of 7, the Guardians are presumably in the last Octave of 7th/and consequently in the 1st Octave of 8th.
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Hmmm, seems that we have a different perspective on the density or octave (little "o") of Ra. I have always been of the impression that Ra was of mid 6th density, just beyond the point where the polarities merge, but still striving toward the 7th.
[quote='Ra Book I, Session 14']
Questioner: Of what density level is Ra?
Ra: I am Ra. I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half million of your years and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it approaches in our space/time continuum.
I stand corrected 3D. Ra is clearly at mid sixth as given. Thank you. But it does raise an interesting question in as much as Ra specifically stated that the Guardians were but one octave above themselves. Assuming a numbering of mid 6th to mean roughly 4th octave for example, of 8 octaves in 6th, then the Guardians would only be at the 5th or 6th octave of mid 6th density, and not in the eighth density as given?
Now, we know with certainty that Ra often demonstrated a perplexing dyslexia when it came to numbering. As such dear 3D, we are either both brilliant detectives in our search and prodding of one another, or we are both dysfunctional mystics confusing ourselves, and each other in the process, or one of us is at least slightly more lost than the other, given that we all are lost and searching anyway. But I am happy to search with you my new freidn...I mean friend. Have we uncovered a misstatement Ra left uncorrected or that Don may have missed? It would be reasonable to conclude that it may be so and that a misstatement may be in need of correction, and as a result missed, or that I need a good Law of One spanking and correction in terminology.
Allow us to stay always lighthearted in these learnings/teachings, in as much as I'm willing to expose myself for the blabbering fool I am if you are, all for the purpose of truly desiring to sharpen my blade of understanding to cut quicker to the truth.
(03-23-2009, 01:12 AM)Quantum Wrote: thus implying perhaps that all ceases and begins anew after the completion of 8, only to begin with 1-8 again? (Perhaps this is not at all what you meant 3D,as you seem to imply?).
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: No, not really. I do not propose to understand what exists beyond our current 3rd density, let alone beyond our Octave. I was merely stating that inherent in the process is that of building and destroying, all for the purpose of allowing the Creator to experience Himself (BTW, I readily agree that the term "Itself" is more politically correct, but that just sounds too sterile for me. So, please forgive me, all that are offended by this masculine reference, but to refer to the Creator experiencing Herself sounds a little to personal for my southern gentlemanly upbringing, and our Victorian heritage).
Now I feel like a having a Jack Daniels and "Ciga" with you good sir on a big 'ol wrap around poch overlooking the mossy green trees hangin sleepily on a gentle river bank, with both of us dressed no less in white suites and in rockin chairs pontificatin in tha aftanoon sun about God and women in the full knowledge that both will foweva remain an enigma and that we'll never undastand eitha.
(03-23-2009, 01:18 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Indeed it is likely that in the next great breath there are 6 or 12 densities in an octave (septave? dodecave?). Still, to your point Q, within this great breath, it certainly is possible that individuated consciousnesses cycle repeatedly through this Octave (i.e., cycling through densities 1-7), much like they are reincarnated multiple times within each density.
Enough, I think, for now,
3D Sunset
Actually, to be fair and in keeping with the lecture and teach/learning, there would be 6 or 12 octaves, or septaves vs dodecaves per density verses the 6-12 densities per octave. Being the impatient sort that I am, I like the 6 densities better than the 12 as an analogy. Now tell me in this new breath of the 6 densities that the sun revolves around the central sun in only 2,000 years to make for a quicker graduation.
Lets go have that cigar and that Jack Daniels good sir.
Q