What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[3D Sunset]

Are you confusing the transcendence of the Octivanals with my intent of the "Densitivanals?" (my new-new word for those densities beyond our eighth density - derived as an extension from your new word of Octivanals - lol).

Perhaps I am, as clearly Ra frequently uses the two terms interchangeably. I must say though, that each time I read that particular line, my intuitive interpretation is as I have stated, they are beyond this Octave (I will refer from now on to the big "O"ctave, or the mysterious next octave of existence as distinct from the little "o"ctave synonymous with density). There are other similarly ambiguous quotes that imply the Guardians are from beyond our Octave, for instance in the rather unique reference to the "8th dimension or octave" of the planet Saturn, in the following quote:

Questioner: Where is this Council located?

Ra: I am Ra. This Council is located in the octave, or eighth dimension, of the planet Saturn, taking its place in an area which you understand in third dimension terms as the rings.

This is one of the occasions in which Ra seems to use "Dimensions" interchangeably with "Densities". My suspicion is that this is not happenstance, but I'm at a loss to explain its significance at present. He goes on to mention that the Guardians are 24 entities that "back up the Council", indicating that they are not of the council. So what does it mean to exist in the Octave or 8th dimension?

I might only offer that rather than destroyed, that "Created Anew" is more inferred by Inspiratus, as in "Divinitus Inspiratus" - divinely breathed into

Fair enough, I agree that looking at the creation from the perspective of inside the Creator is more logical and aesthetic than in my previous statement which looked from the perspective of outside the Creator. Thus, to inhale is to construct and expand, and to exhale is to compress or destroy. Yes, I do prefer that. Thank you Q.

By this I understand Ra to mean that the third group is 'simply one single octave' above their own, meaning either the Octave above the 7th that Ra is presently in is either still in 7th, but clearly at a higher Octave in 7th, or, even if Ra is in the 2nd to last Octave of 7, the Guardians are presumably in the last Octave of 7th/and consequently in the 1st Octave of 8th.

Hmmm, seems that we have a different perspective on the density or octave (little "o") of Ra. I have always been of the impression that Ra was of mid 6th density, just beyond the point where the polarities merge, but still striving toward the 7th.

Questioner: Of what density level is Ra?

Ra: I am Ra. I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half million of your years and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it approaches in our space/time continuum.

thus implying perhaps that all ceases and begins anew after the completion of 8, only to begin with 1-8 again? (Perhaps this is not at all what you meant 3D,as you seem to imply?).

No, not really. I do not propose to understand what exists beyond our current 3rd density, let alone beyond our Octave. I was merely stating that inherent in the process is that of building and destroying, all for the purpose of allowing the Creator to experience Himself (BTW, I readily agree that the term "Itself" is more politically correct, but that just sounds too sterile for me. So, please forgive me, all that are offended by this masculine reference, but to refer to the Creator experiencing Herself sounds a little to personal for my southern gentlemanly upbringing, and our Victorian heritage).

Indeed it is likely that in the next great breath there are 6 or 12 densities in an octave (septave? dodecave?). Still, to your point Q, within this great breath, it certainly is possible that individuated consciousnesses cycle repeatedly through this Octave (i.e., cycling through densities 1-7), much like they are reincarnated multiple times within each density.

Enough, I think, for now,

3D Sunset