Cosmic energies-on your birth

[Pablísimo]

My Opining Post was actually a copy and paste from a thread I used at a larger forum where there are alot of people that would of loved to derail the thread with debates so I kinda placed that debate part just for that forum.

I am open to discussion on the differences and I hope that in my OP I made it clear that what I was offering was very different then what modern astrology offers to people.

Gosh I know what you mean about that! So much rancor and debate in most forums! Can easily make us a little gun-shy. But luckily for all of us Bring4th is much more harmonious than the norm.

That's also great that you're open to discussion of the difference, though I do think perhaps another thread would be a better place. I think it's cool how you're exploring this with examples for anyone who asks... I get a good vibe from that approach.

In fact, could you explain more about how the birth time is 'lower' then in other methods, when using this method? Im not sure I understand what you are saying with a birth time being lower? Do you mean lower on the position on the wheel?

Well, sure, since you asked. Just please don't take it as a criticism, as it's really just a contrast. This is a murky topic and one I struggle to understand myself... I certainly don't have all the answers. And there's plenty of debate about Sidereal Astrology out there if people want to dive into that morass.

This was in response to your earlier comment:

Just need your birthday....a time is best...but not totally needed. The only real difference a time can make is the moon moves fast, where it is in the morning will be different from where it is in the evening...so even just a general 'morning, afternoon, or evening' is good.

What I said was that the relative importance of the birth time is what is lower in your system. The correct birth time is EXTREMELY important in the type of Astrology that I generally use for a psychological probability profile, in contrast. The reason is that while the actual position in the heavens of each body is definitely important, their RELATIVE angle of those positions in relation to WHERE you are on the earth and WHEN you are in the daily cycle is also very important. This is the basis for the Astrological Houses, in fact. Time of birth basically takes into account the spinning of the Earth on its axis. Each hour as it spins during the 24 hour cycle, your relative position in relation to the constellations and planetary bodies also changes. That means that if you get your birthtime off by more than an hour or so, it will radically change the Houses and the exact type of in-streaming cosmic energy of the cosmos at the exact moment you are born. That psychological, archetypal profile is what most interests me and I find that the placements of your planets fits generally, houses more so, but the most specificity comes from Houses in Planets, so you lose an awful lot of psychological detail if you don't have the right birth time. Of course, you also have to take into account the latitude and longitude of your birth in order to triangulate correctly, so the birth place is also important but does not vary as wildly as birth time. For example, if you are off a little on your location, such as basically being on the same continent, only the degrees of the Houses/Alignments will be similar, but if you are off by 3 hours on your time because of the speed at which earth spins, you will skew the numbers to a greater degree.

What you said is absolutely true about the moon being the only body that would change much with the birth time, but the planets are really only the part of the equation in other systems, another contrasting idea.

You know, I wrote a computer program a while back that will spit out a 30 page report on your psychological profile from an astrological perspective when you feed it your date, time, and place of birth. However, if you have the wrong time only the first 15 pages of the report would be accurate. I still have that by the way if you'd like me to run any for you (or anyone else reading this for that matter) so you can compare as an intellectual exercise.

Hopefully all that makes sense about what I mean about the relative importance of the birth time. But honestly, it doesn't make it any better than what you are describing, only different.

I hope my intentions are seen as true, for I feel that in days of old, astrology was not practiced in the ways it is today and I hope to bring alight back to that old practice of observing the sky and using the present observations.
All my best!
Lynette

Well like you said there is a fierce debate about the relative merits of old, new, and fusion methodologies. Personally I think it's all good stuff and just different ways of exploring the archetypes through Astrology.

I'd like to thank you for this thread and your heartfelt sharing with all of us!

Love to all