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    06-20-2015, 09:32 PM
    Hello Dear Plenum,

    Even though this thread turned at some point to entirely different matter/topic, I would like to focus exclusively on proposed by You term “Spiritual Correctness”.

    First of all term “Political Correctness” is a form of censorship that prevents in most cases true and deep analysis/talks/debates of any given situation, due to treating some spheres/topics/labels as “not desirable” or simply “wrong”/”bad”. Because of that “political correctness” is creating an artificial sphere of “allowed” topics, attitudes and actions that are unable to truly deal with problems or conflicts. Mainly because due to above mentioned form of “censorship” it is “not allowed” to “touch the core” of problems/conflicts – all it offers is similarly artificial “consensus” that can only inform participants about “how things should be”, without actually working out the way to such state/point.

    Above is of course only my opinion.


    Now, regarding “Spiritual Correctness” – I think that we – in so called “western civilization” – are in very difficult situation in regards to “Spirituality”. What is currently “done” in this sphere is not “correctness” but something more basic – an attempt to define/determine what Spirituality really is.

    Organized religions offers quite rigid picture of what “Spirituality” is and each religion ascribe to this sphere quite specific attributes/qualities, while defining “non-spirituality” as “oppositeness” of spirituality and ascribing opposite attributes/qualities to it (classical duality).

    I think that APeacefulWarrior made an excellent point in His comment #4. I permit myself to quote part of His comment, but I recommend to read it in full:

    (06-19-2015, 05:02 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: (...)
    But the other thing is...  

    Well, one of the key concepts in the Law of One (or any other cosmology in which God is deliberately experiencing himself from the inside) is that the universe is SUPPOSED to have wrong ideas about itself.  That's the entire point of "distortions" but it's incredibly hard for a lot of folks to wrap their minds around.  We are deliberately and intentionally giving ourselves wrong notions pretty much for the sole sake of seeing what happens if we do so.  Doing everything "right" -in a theoretically objective sense- is actually doing everything wrong, because we're supposed to be getting things wrong.  But that's amazingly counter-intuitive and hard to grasp.

    I think Ra's anecdote in 77 about the society which was set up without free will and pre-set to be STO sums this up, in terms of why Logoi didn't continue making such peoples:


    Quote:Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

    That "quality and variety of experience" is arguably the single most important goal of this entire setup, and it absolutely REQUIRES free will allowing us to be totally and completely wrong, just because that makes interesting stuff happen.  The prefab STO guys were boring, more or less, and didn't add much to the Creator's self-understanding.  Drifting around for aeons doing nothing but enjoying Timeless Love is pretty much exactly what the Creator is trying to NOT do, because it's presumably all that the Creator was doing before starting up this whole project.

    But someone who is fixated on finding "the right path" or the "optimal route" or such won't be able to see this.  As you say, it's an understanding that they just aren't ready for yet.

    Such understanding may be achieved only when “Spirituality” is perceived as far vaster and far more flexible than rigid definitions proposed by organized religions. In fact, such perspective require an assumption, that everything is connected to Spirituality and there is nothing that lies beyond it – literally.

    This is also concept with which I’m currently working – concept of “material Soul” and “material reality” which is manifestation of non-material processes/phenomenon and perforce all material reality is Spirituality translated into matter/flesh.
    Assumption, that there’s literally no aspect of Our existence in this reality, that might be NOT-Spiritual, that everything possess a “spiritual dimension” and everything has an impact on “spiritual world”/”non-material reality”. This is extremely counter-intuitive for a Being that understands Self as a “material Creature”.

    Such perspective require an Idea of Oneness to be considered at least on/at general level. Without it, all we have is Our well-known “duality-approach” that require to divide and assign certain labels/actions/attitudes to two, opposite categories (spirituality and non-spirituality).


    I fully agree with what You wrote about unique perspective of each Being:

    (06-18-2015, 04:51 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: (...)
    Spiritual Correctness, just like political correctness, ultimately stops us thinking and asking harder questions.  We confine ourselves to a smaller base of operations, and comfort ourselves that others are also buying into the same unthinking attitudes.  But if you start dealing with individual, everyday catalyst, you start to recognise the variety and the uniqueness of your own perspective and experience, and you have to truly start thinking for yourself.  Spiritual correctness just can't fly when you're walking on your own sovereign path, meeting other sovereign individuals who cross your path.  Uttering platitudes and wanting others to conform to a template of pre-ordained thoughts is just not honoring the true variety of the creator.
    (...)

    To, as You wrote, “honor the variety of the Creator”, it is required of People to think for Themselves. Without that, when Beings are directly adopting point-of-view of some organized belief system and are doing so without Self-input, thoughtlessly, than They end up with “rigid simplification” of Spiritual sphere, from which They are in fact cut-off – mainly by schematic and routine nature of repetitive rituals/ceremonies.
    Due to that “Spiritual sphere” is dealt with within the confines of the “repetitive rituals” (for most – once a week, on Sunday), beyond which Beings are “getting back to Their lives”, sometimes without consideration for Spirituality at all. Additionally for many Other-Selves, to conduct a “spiritual ritual”, presence of “Priest” is required, as someone to whom Other-Selves assigning some “special attributes” that permits Him (far less often Her) to “work” within this sphere.

    What is required to change above state of being “cut-off” from actual Spirituality, is what You wrote Dear Plenum, and what I’ve bolded in above quote – to think for Self and to actually Seeking spirituality within every day, every moment, every situation.

    To be honest, I do not know how to reach such state, without Knowledge/Understanding that We are exploring here, on this Forum. I don’t think that I would be able to conceive on my own the depth and vastness of spirituality/non-materialness without Word of Ra. Maybe I would be able to have some general glimpses of “Greater Reality”, but I would definitely not be able to reach conclusion of “Oneness” – in my particular case – because I was so deep into materialism/atheism before I’ve met Ra. My Mind was trapped in “causality cage” that deny my Mind certain “thoughts patterns” due to their “abstractness” and “non-rational nature”. RA – literally – freed my Mind and I’m uncertain how can I offer my understanding to Other-Selves, without actually – as You wrote it – “(…)smash up their spiritually correct viewpoints(…)”.
    At some point You have to “let go” your old beliefs, to open Self for different take/perspective on/of sphere which those beliefs held – and in consequence were constricting/limiting.


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    "Spiritual Correctness" - by Plenum - 06-18-2015, 04:51 AM
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