2012, some confusion!

[litllady]

From what I understand, an age is determined by where the Sun is at the Spring Equinox. In case anyone is interested, we will be in Pisces for at least several hundred more years. We will enter the time of cusp in a few hundred years, we will ride the cusp for at least a hundred years...it is past year 2600 when the sun will actually be off of the cusp and IN Aquarius.

Hi Litllady,

Can you explain this more...

I have heard so many differing interpretations of prophecy, end-times, ascension, rapture, 2012 , shift to 4th density, or 5th dimension, etc. it's really mind boggling. With so much information and prophecies out there how do anyone really know what is happening?

But i haven't heard this one before...that the age of Pisces is several hundred more years? My understanding was that the 2012 date was based on the shift from Pisces to Aquarius. And I heard recently that we should be looking at March 2013 (the Spring Equinox after December 2012) as the culmination of very important changes.

So does this mean that the "shift" to 4th density does not necessarily correlate to the precession of the equinoxes. If the shift is happening in 2011 as Q'uo said (please correct me anybody if I'm wrong) then it does not necessarily correlate to the shift of the ages. I've had in my mind that the timing was the same...and that the "clock" Qu'o speaks of was the precessional ages...though I'm not sure that Qu'o actually ever states that.

Sorry if I am rambling, this topic has been on my mind this weekend and I am trying to understand.

Thanks for your help!

Hello Shemaya (Love your name...the root word Shem is ancient and very meaningful, maybe you know that though)

This is defiantly a controversial issue and I cant offer a simple answer without explanation.

The ancients did determine a shift of the ages by observing where the Sun was on the Spring Equinox. Without the technology we have today, it was a bit of a guessing game for precision.

A bit of history about astrology and astronomy is needed to understand.

Astronomy and Astrology once went hand in hand. They were observed by the true night sky, not fixed wheels of the zodiac circle like what astrology uses today. Astrology became a fixed practice a few thousand years ago....making a circle of animals that each had equal amounts of space. This is an imaginary circle that DOES NOT represent our true night sky that we can observe with our eyes. Astrology named their divisions 'signs' when astronomy called their divisions 'constellations'. I always thought that 'signs' and 'constellations' were the same thing but I learned a few years ago that they are not. Constellations (what we truly observe) do not have the same amounts of space in the sky. Example of this is Scorpio...the Sun is only in Scorpio for a weeks time because the constellation is small. Virgo is huge though, the Sun spends much more then a months time in Virgo. Astrology does not acknowledge the different amounts of space like astronomy does. Like I said, the wheel that Astrology uses is pure imaginary.

The last two years I have been using astronomy to understand where astrology and astronomy became 2 different observations. It has awakened me to many things and I have no interests now in what astrology has to say.

This is where the controversy comes in. Astrologist, using the fixed wheel of equal amounts of space...says that we are on the cusp and moving into Aquarius. If though we look at the true night sky, using astronomy to find where the Sun in on the Spring Equinox.....it is still sitting in Pisces.

If you are really interested in this....I would advise you to download a free astronomy program that is very precise....its called 'Stellarium'. You can find it on Google...it does take a bit of room up on the computer so if you cant do that there are other ways I can show you exactly what I am talking about. This may get you into alot of studying (if you dont mind it).

I have a lot of images I have downloaded, I will find them for you and post them. Using astronomy....we will not enter the cusp between the two constellations till about 2300-2400ad. We will then ride the cusp on the Spring Equinoxes for almost a hundred years. Its right about 2500-2600 AD when the Sun really starts rising on the Spring Equinox fully in Aquarius without being on the cusp. Its a long process. What I find interesting in the LOO is it talks about a time of 700 years to take the 'shift' to occur. I feel this is what LOO was talking about...but Im sure others have a different opinion.

I do think the shift between ages matters. Look at the history that revolves around the shift of ages. We had the sacrifices of Bulls in the age of Taurus. We had the sacrificing of Rams in the age of Aries (do you remember the verse in the Bible when instead of the 'son' being sacrificed to God...there was suddenly a 'Ram' in the thorned bushes, and the Ram became the sacrificed instead of the child? Do you remember the golden bull that was made in the desert in the Bible story (time of Taurus)? Then we have Jesus, the fisher of men...at the age of Pisces.

Im not one of predictions per say, but more of a believer that history repeats itself. If the shift of ages was important in the past, it will be important in our future.

Now something really interesting is the fact that astronomy witnesses the Sun spending its time in more the 12 signs. The Sun actually rises and sets in 13 signs (Ophiuchus being the other one). Have you ever heard of the 'age of Ophiuchus'? Probably not...

So the debate of when we start a new age is between astrology and astronomy. From what I believe and have studied, what we know as astrology is NOT what the ancients observed. I believe they did not use the 'fixed' wheel of 'imaginary' signs but they used the true observations of what they could gather from the night sky.

If you could see the background of the stars when the Sun rises on the Spring Equinox, you would not see Aquarius as the background to the Sun until about 2600 ad.

If you get Stellarium...let me know, Ill tell you exactly what to do. You can type in any date (past or future) and it will show you where the Sun would of been or will be. It is a really cool program.

I have lost all faith in modern astrology. In fact I plan to write a book...and am working on a 'astronomy' wheel to offer birth charts for people using the real positions and not imaginary ones. Only 20% of peoples birth signs match up when comparing astronomy and astrology. I grew up thinking I was a Virgo...but found out the Sun was really in Leo on my birth. My life has not been the same sense.

Also, interesting you mentioned a 'clock'. I have used the astronomy wheel as a clock to show that we are half way around the great year circle. It is my belief that the Sphinx was made as the marker of the start of the clock, showing us that the great year started in Leo. Using Astronomy, we are pretty much exactly half way around the wheel. The ancients held alot of importance to not only where the Sun rose but also in the sign opposite of the Sun (the Sign the Sun would of been shining towards). At the time of the Sun rising in Leo facing out over Egypt...the Sun would of been 'shining towards' to a place that we are coming very close to.

Maybe I should make a thread here showing my research...I have done this and posted all of my info at another forum where there are more people. It has gone over really well with some, but astrologist dont like me much. I really feel that this is part of my purpose here in this life....to bring astronomy and astrology back together. I know there are some astrologist here at Bring4th the light...and I have not gone further with my studies here for this is not the place I want to ripple any waters. But outside of here....I am defiantly rippling waters and some are not liking it much. Its not that astrology doesnt hold water...but people are missing the reasons for the signs. They want to use it for horoscopes and depend on another person to tell them what their life means. This is the same mistake as some religions that try to tell others 'what god is'. Astrology needs to be a personal path of seeking...I cant tell you what the Sun means for you any more then your mother could. Part of the gems in seeking, arise on the path while seeking, gems that will only arise when the seeker them self searches for understanding. We are all of the signs...we are the Sun, planets, and the moon. Just as though we are ONE with eachother, we are ONE with the signs, we are ONE with the spheres....its way beyond horoscopes...astrology is. Its really became watered down and I feel it needs to come back to being a observation, not a fixed predication.

One thing that resonated with me in the Bible was in the OT where it was stressed to the people that the time of NEW MOON MUST be observed, not predicted. Even the 'new moon' has almost became lost to mankind, for many do not observe what the true new moon was....in fact, many religious calendars are WRONG when they say it is time of new moon.

This is what started me in my time with the Spirit....I kept hearing 'observe it'. Which took me out into the night...with my own two feet and my own two eyes. And low and behold...many mysteries lost in time awaited me.