Density/Dimension clarification

[Lavazza]

I again find myself with more time on my hands, at least as far as today is concerned.

What I am presenting is my distillation and partial reconciliation of some of the Ra material with its reference sources and a little modern physics thrown in. Although it is relatively sound in some areas, it is embarrassingly weak in others. Ultimately, I am absolutely certain that it is completely wrong as is everything that we try to explain in 3D.

Because I like this dialog so much, I wanted to press you to talk more about the areas of your thinking that you feel are embarrassingly weak. Maybe we can firm some of them up by conversing- although I do not mean to put you on the spot of course. Your disclaimer of not being an authority is fully accepted.

Not to quibble over words, but I would say "in it is contained all the physical dimensions of space and time". The densities that make up the Octave having been established prior to the Octave's creation, are measures of the spiritual progress of the m/b/s contained within the creation. As a crude analogy, consider the universe as analogous to the school, the m/b/s within it, the students, their densities representing the grades within the school. As they advance within the school, the students are able to use more and more of the school's facilities. Note that the existence of the grades (their number and character and lessons to be learned), and the testing that would be performed to allow promotion from one grade to another were all in existence before the school. Note also that this clearly indicates that there is "something" which is greater than our universe.

I'm jumping off on to a new topic here but I think it may be safely considered relevant to this thread... But what do you think, beginning of Octave = beginning of Universe? This is often puzzled me. And more fundamental in my confusion once this is taken as correct in premise is, how can something which is infinite (presumably the universe) spring forth from something with is finite (presumably the plank length sized mote that was the origin of the big bang). I may be erroneous in that I may be extrapolating upon metaphors given by science for the mainstream to understand- in which case most of this paragraph could be discarded

Here again I humbly ask your patience as I pick at your words. Although we do have seven chakras that may be in various states of activation or blockage in any density, I see it rather as our seven bodies that move between activation and potentiation as we move through s/t densities. The same can be said for a planet, with the caveat that a planet may have multiple bodies in activation simultaneously (I am of the opinion that only one body of a m/b/s complex may be activated at given time, but I am not absolutely convinced of this).

The exception might be a dual activated entity, that is 3rd and 4th density activation near the time of harvest / density change. This would be a transitory sort of scenario of course.

(quick context for the next quote- referring to how Ra appeared to the Egyptians)

If the above are the appropriate quotes, I do not see the reference to "lowering vibrational rate" that you referred to. That said, I am certain that some physical change (call it vibrational rate or something else) is necessary for a 6D entity to be viewed by 3D entities. If this is what you mean by "dimensional quality", then I agree.

Quite right, and may I add "good work!" in your ability to find and put together those quotes. I'm almost certain now that I am mentally combining different sources of information with Ra's information. In Dolores Cannon's book 'The Convoluted Universe' one of her regressed patients speaks of beholding the construction of the Great Pyramid. They spoke of 'golden beings' that were invisible from the waist down, if I am remembering correctly. Quite a similar description at least. Then I must also have merged something Bashar spoke of in explaining how his craft enter our dimensional space/time in order to be seen, and thus describing how vibrational frequency has to be temporarily reduced (which takes some effort, apparently). Yup, it's all getting mushy up in that noggin of mine!

I did not say that things that were close in s/t were far apart in t/s. I said that things that are close in 3-space are far apart in 3-time. This is due to the reciprocal natures of time and space. What creates the stages of s/t and t/s are the mappings of 3-time into scalar time(in s/t), and 3-space into scalar space (in t/s). Again, I would refer you to the RST thread for more investigation. Suffice it to say for now, that in s/t, time ("now") is a scalar which represents the projection/compression of the three cardinal time coordinates of 3-time onto one unit-less scalar point. The same can be said of space in t/s.

Quite fascinating. I'll print out a copy of the RST thread and hopefully get in to it this week. Stay tuned for more questions from me, in that case.

I recommend that you seek to understand Ra's material on Ra's own terms. Do this without trying to correlate it with physicists' theories about dark matter. Once you are comfortable with understanding how Ra's own words fit in with Ra's other words, temporarily take "density" as something related to energy/vibration levels for now. After you understand how Ra's comments fit together, only then would it be productive to compare a complete picture of Ra's density discussions with a complete picture of "dark matter" theories. I feel that you are trying to combine two tangents and that your studies may be more productive if you take things one at a time here.

This is sound advice, and I thank you for it. As it so happens, this is exactly what my modus operandi has been for the last (almost) two years in my awareness of the Ra material. Although I make no claim to understand how all of Ra's words fit in with each other completely, I am at a point where I want to know what the heck Ra is talking about as regards densities. It may be my particular layman's interest in cutting edge physics / science that motivates me, and perhaps it is not the wisest approach, but I feel compelled to put Ra's information together with what our egg-head friends in the lab coats are saying. I suppose the other side of the coin here is that I also intellectually understand that understanding is not in any way central or necessary for my spiritual evolution at this time- I attempt understanding in this fashion because it excites me to do so!

Are you familiar with traditional Russian nested dolls? For someone living on the outer surface of the third doll out from the center, everything above them would just be an enclosed shell. For us, that's the edge of fourth dimension which we're just starting to poke into.

A beautiful comparison.

Ra refers to 1st density as the fundamental elements of earth, air, fire, and water learning from each other. Current scientific theory is that Venus has an abundant of elements and elemental forces. The planet has no shortage of rocks, chemically active atmosphere, cloud cover, lightning, etc. It's easy to suppose that if there was any degree of consciousness inside elemental forces, they would have no shortage of catalyst and learning opportunities in such an active environment.

I hadn't considered it that way before, but you're absolutely right, it would be a very exciting environment in which to experience 1st density, as 1st density. Other places that spring to mind would be tumultuous Jupiter and it's moons. Saturn's too.

Unless gravity as we know it is a 1st density effect...

Actually gravity has been shown to exist whenever there is matter, regardless of how small the matter may be. Gravity is quite interesting though, and maybe a worthwhile thread for later on would be extrapolating the spiritual reasons or symbolism behind it and other physical forces. For a later time I think.

That's all for now, L&L to all.
~Lavazza