Learning to Love Indifference

[Indigo Light]

So leave then. Do you want sympathy for your suffering? Empathy? To be told that you're right and everything is wrong and we're all f***** and there is no hope? Want me to feed your nihilism a little bit?

A. What do you think?  I'm honestly asking.

I hope you don't go, I don't actually want you to leave, I just wanted to point out the extremity of your thoughts. I'll be honest, it bothers me too, a lot, every day. Seeing the suffering in the world is something that makes my body ache every day. I am more and more inclined to believe as time goes on that there has been a malicious force which has had its hand in disconnecting humans from our divine origins.

B. Please tell me exactly how you derived, I hope you don't go, as, So leave then.

And then consider this food for thought.

1) Respect. Compassion. Loving-kindness. Empathy. Trust. Goodwill. Desire to serve. Embracing each other. Opening our heart. Participants are asked to keep the thought in the forefront of their minds at all times that each on this forum IS the Creator. Please keep communication respectful at all times and in all ways. The participant may disagree to the bone with an idea without personally attacking the author of the idea. Please remember that we are all here to expand our knowledge, deepen our understanding, and support one another by reflecting our divinity to each other. We are One being -- we are not here to forget the real.

Now to A, and B.

You tell me.

Just some constructive criticism if you decide to come back. Your OP was a million miles long. I honestly didn't read all of it. If it's a topic that I find really juicy, I might have the patience to read something as long as that. I realize that what you wrote was something personal so it may have been hard to cut the subject down to its bare elements, but just less is what I have to say. Just put it down... to a lot less. That's what was hard for me personally to relate to and to add so much to. It might sound like another cruel blow from this cruel world, but that's the unfiltered truth from my end. Just take it or leave it.

Edit: My bad. I was probably getting confused with another one of your threads.

I can actually take constructive criticism, so this is well.

But between your overall attitude, I'm going to provide my own bit of take it or leave it.
You've got a serious issue with applying the correct tone in your posts, unless sarcasm and hypocrisy wasn't your intended tone.  Oh, I'm sorry, just a 'cruel unfiltered' bit of honesty my friend.  How does it feel?  Because honestly, and I'm seriously apologizing for saying that, but honestly if you think trying to be 'unfiltered' is the same as honest, I just want to tell you two things.

Honestly consider talking to and listening to yourself.  You might be surprised in a bad way.
And secondly, honestly, in my opinion, which I, honestly, know you don't care about, it's, honestly, exactly that.  That, I think you don't care.  So, regardless, since I only want to get this thread finished up and explain this issue to you all in a manner you'll understand...  Since I do think it's something you all should be made aware of...  I'm going to explain.  But between everyone's attitude here...  I'm getting real tired of it, and I will just leave.  And honestly, it seems like this forum needs a more active member in it, cause this place isn't looking too active anymore...

So try not to push people out of it???

And sorry Lighthead, but both you and Tanner need to be a bit more considerate overall.  And Light, all I meant by my comments was you come off highly indifferent towards others, and you're kind of a jerk.  I know you don't care, but sometimes you need to be told regardless of if you don't care or not.  That's what I'm discovering from living in an Indifferent Universe.

So let me list it out for you in a list of contextual quotes of my own posts, I'll cut it down and edit for context, but the point will be at the bottom, the huuuuge sum up, with all the meat being listed below.

Because I'm pretty annoyed.  Not at anyone here but at the Infinite Creator.  Because I'm more than sure I'm living inside a well packaged and fancified Hell now.  Let me explain why.

Preface or tl;dr;;StartHere
There is an Octave, Layers 1 through 3 can all experience each other, Layers 4-8 do not need to show themselves to the lower layers.
Layers 1 and 2 are basically, with a few exceptions, all not self-aware but becoming.
By Layer 3 Self-Awareness is present.
Layers 4-6 integrate into the lower layers in the form of reincarnation, in order to learn.

By making the Self Aware Layer 3 Entity suffer through catalyst in order to learn a lesson.

0. It is literally only from 3D that this perspective can be met it seems, all others seem to truly just accept it as is.  Which I don't know if I should believe it is actually out of Love, or if I am truly in a Hell Universe where they package such as Heaven.  The inherent trick on us is that Indifference and Love look exactly the same from the 3D perspective.

1. all of this [Level of Existence] is almost a fanciful packaged lie from this perspective, while up there it's all fun and games and laughs.  But down here, real horror and suffering.

2. Because there is no way this density is the density of desire.  A gross ignorance of Human Perspective is blatantly obvious, right down to Journey of Souls excerpt where a soul even describes an infant struggling but eventually giving in to its appearance [to integrate and trace its neural pathways to merger with].

3. The inherent horror that lies in the reality of the System the Ra Material lays out is all right here in 3D, and hinted to continue with 4D and 5D [somewhat it'd seem], but at 2D you're already beginning to partake in the methodical system of teaching you suffering...  The whole picture is literally suffering, purposeful suffering.  Desired, wanted, suffering.

4. To learn how to love...?  I can think of much more efficient better methods overall as I am right now, Human-wise.  Even a slight slip in the Veil for everyone, a dream once in a while, an odd unexplainable occurrence, but clear, and direct, not spiritual, but personal.  Instead, nothing.  Dreams that we can't make sense of.  Catalyst we have no knowledge of.  Horrible things, being planned out.  I once read an NDE about a soul that coaxed her human self to fall off a moving carriage to cripple herself, as planned.

5. Most of such NDE's too that talk about future knowledge from the soul perspective is, blatantly ignorant of the experiences being done to the human shell.

6. the universe inflicts suffering on an entire level of existence without any actual consent from that actual level of existence from the standpoint of...That level of existence's Inhabitants, like, Human's who are aware, of this picture, who see something veiled very fancifully, but when you look under the cover it's got a bit of a secret everyone is kind of hush-hush or blatantly acts as if it's no big deal about.  That is torturing Human Beings for their own selfish goals of evolution.  That isn't Unconditionally Loving, or consonant of Free Will.  It isn't even remotely Loving, it is by essence the most Selfish thing one can do, is parasitically utilize another to gain at their loss. (The fact the soul experiences it alongside the human shell as One is not the point here, the fact the Human Shell had no say, and is even considered a Shell at all, and not instead seen as a full self-aware identity that can make its own decisions is, as well as the fact that because the soul merges with the human, and the catalyst is meant for the soul, it is literally only harming the human who has this one run and then their life is done.)

7.  it's all irrelevant until someone can explain why I should cooperate with my 'higher desires' when they have no actual love or care for what they are doing to me!?

8. It is no different from looking at God puncturing Oneself with Love in a crippling way, in order that when he dies, he'll be better not realizing that the Human had dreams.  A Life and Goals.  Desires of its own, that didn't seem to align with the Souls, resulting in punishment.  I mean.  Catalyst...

Intermission.  Just to make it longer... And you know what, I honestly feel like that guy in that Stephen King movie 1408, who is trapped inside Hell, but is outside, but still inside Hell.  I am here.  I can't leave.  I will be tortured.  I will be in pain.  I will suffer.  My dreams do not matter.  My desires are pointless.  MY wants are ignored.  I'm here to suffer, not to learn to love.  That comes after.  Those with the will to pull themselves out of the horror and learn along the way to accelerate their speedy escape out of Hell have extra punishment dished at them and if they fail, they are indifferently treated.  Those who love get surprises and suddenly, here's Hell!  But we're all souls in a relatively locked location in Time/Space (Sounds like room 1408...) and we are here in Space/time being tormented.

9. But if someone opts out, I think that should be a valid means of incarnation ending, not just, oh you gave up, I don't care if it's hell, go back or else you can't move forward.  Unconditionally Loving?  For Evolution? (And Free Will Abiding...?)

10. Have a story to give you more perspective, or allow me to shed some of my perspective upon yours.
A person walks into a life.  They get punched in the face and then are told they choose for this all to happen, and that its their fault, this, for getting punched.  Person shrugs it off being a cool open person.  Sits at a bar and the stool collapses, lifetender comes over and says its their fault, their responsibility, they need to pay for it, or else.  Person pays for the stool with whatever they had intended to use to buy something else.  Person has nothing left to pay with and so opts for a different life, on the way out gets told because they didn't do specific things they'll need to come back to eventually do things a better way, and that if they don't they'll have to pay for it somehow someway somewhere else.  Person says this wasn't what they wanted, gets told it was and that that isn't an excuse to not be the preferred way you choose to have occur regardless of if you're as another person who knows nothing.

11. Does consenting, then becoming amnesiac but still bound by this Life Contract not identified as infringing the free will of the 3D being when they become aware of how things operate without memory of such?  When the person no longer consents, why isn't it considered in the whole of things?  Their suffering is used to learn, what happens when the being no longer consents on a 3D level regardless of what the soul wants?  Why is there indifference towards these views??

12. This universe makes 3D beings suffer. It goes at them with Love that is closer known as indifference on the third density.  It brings them catalyst that sometimes are excessive it'd seem. So much so many do not finish several incarnations but are told they'll NEED to regardless.  That is not choice, nor free will. That is the Creator forcing a part of itself to do without regard for the free will of the unknowing being, who can identify as wholly separate.

13. Its designed to occur out this way.  Why is being abused needed to grow? What being would actually consent to this, while down here, going through it?
I know many will, but many won't. Why are they called excuse makers and ignored?

14. If the future was based on the original premise like it acts like it is, that free will is actually present, then this issue for 3D wouldn't be here now.  If you try to rectify 3D from a higher perspective, you ignore 3D in the process.  I'm talking about 3D BEINGS, every single self aware entity that is currently sure it is an individual here, with its own consent separate a soul identity because they can do such.  (Because that is the nature of all living things, is it not?  A Human Being is as Sacred as a Soul, so why is their Free Will ignored for a Soul's?)

15. Do you consent to a surprise?  Even if that surprise is getting raped then killed by another?  Then to try and over and over, tell me [or them], I chose this suffering, I'm responsible for it.  But call my issues of these surprises and such, EXCUSES?  3D does not maintain Free Will.  You guys are using higher perspectives and overall views, ignoring, literally my point, [that] 3D perspective in the current occurrence [has it's Free Will ignored].  When a person wants to give up, why are they forced by the Universe[...]it seems one MUST complete, and MUST do things to progress, what happens if that impedes with the free will of the [3D] entity?  What happens when so many 3D entities all commit suicide, but they come to, just to be told they must do it all over again? [Without a Choice, meaning even the Soul's Free Will is ignored in the higher dimensions!]

16. Ra says there are surprises.  Do you consent to surprises in the mysterious unknown before you reincarnate?  Do you as a soul give the universe complete consent?  More importantly, how does that override your 3D personality's consent?  I thought Free Will was absolute (Primal Distortion).  I see that 3D Free Will is utterly and completely ignored.  I can't in good faith of an Unconditionally Loving Free Will operating universe, say Third Density, or perhaps this entire octave if the Higher Self forces you to take upon certain paths that are 'as is'...is made of unconditional love, or has free will.

No, 3D is closer to Indifference.  Complete indifference towards the Human being.  What human being wants to be born just to be put through hell to help a soul evolve?  Does it get a choice?  When the soul joins the Human Being, did the human know and consent?  Or is the Soul and the whole Universe using 3D?

Did Humanity get a say?  Why do I notice this endless notion of 'you wanted this' but while you're here, you actually don't want this but you 'want this'.  As a Human being, a self aware humanoid entity, who was joined by a soul in the womb.  Did I. I, the HUMAN.  Consent?  If not, then your Free Will First Distortion has failed me.

The Point
There is the Time/Space Higher Soul, then the Space/Time Self-Aware Human Identity.  Both should have Free Will being Self-Aware.  Only one Free Will is adhered, the other is infringed.

Reincarnation in itself isn't bad, unless only with a soul attached to a Human does the Human experience increasing levels of catalyst that inflict punishment.
The soul being attached also experiences the catalyst, which is meant for it, but it chose to experience it.
So Did the Human consent to the Soul using it, and experiencing through it?  To suffer and be punished for not being aware of it?

Did the Human Consent to being used by a Soul?

And for the Finale:  I'm not literally saying this whole Octave is hell (even though the apparent indifference makes it feel like it to me personally), this level is literally describable as Hell in areas.  Case and Point.  The Holocaust.  And to Rest my Case.  The word Holocaust means Great Burning Sacrifice to God.

Very intriguing, In my thoughts. The Body is a sub-density of the soul of sorts. The body is working on becoming on the level, of what you consider the soul as of now. Everything your talking about, is the sacramental nature of everything. The higher densities sacrifice as well. Who do you think sends you light all "day" long? Also don't quote me on that sub-density thing, I said of sorts. Also the body doesn't just get a one time go. The body will keep incarnating, for souls, until it has a graduation of sorts for itself. Then can become a "soul" itself. No part of the creator is ever lost, or cast aside.