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    05-28-2015, 01:32 PM (This post was last modified: 05-28-2015, 01:34 PM by Aion.)
    (05-28-2015, 12:22 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: The issue is this view requires me to list out all the Ra Material mechanics, all the views and many angles aimed.  I have to weave through Free Will of Souls and Free Will of Human's while trying to explain the inherent differences that the clause, All is One, also allow.  Such as a Human Shell that is Self-Aware should have Free Will as well as the Soul.

    While trying to retain the context of being within 3rd Density 'origin-experiential-perspective', or the Human Shell's point of view, not the souls.

    Can the Human Shell desire death where the Soul does not?

    First, let me express again that I only said my harsh words because I felt you maybe needed to have the extremity of your thoughts mirrored back for you. I just wanted you to see how the attitude came across. I also sent you an apology so I guess whether or not you acknowledge that is your choice.

    I believe I see now where the confusion is, and I think that in the Ra Material there is a different understanding. In the Ra Material there is no concept of the 'human shell'. In the Ra Material, beings are not 'enspirited' in that they are not bodies who then receive a soul, rather the body is grown as part of the soul, one of the phases. Instead, Ra discusses each body and type to be an activation of a particular spectrum. When an entity becomes aware of its soul, it is through the awareness of the One Infinite Creator within itself. It does not 'get' a soul from elsewhere.

    In otherwords, Ra says that we already, always have bodies existing in each density in potential. Hence we have a red-ray body, orange-ray body, yellow-ray, etc. They also say that the physical, external body we are currently experiencing is a yellow-ray body. Thus, when someone is incarnate, they say that the yellow-ray body is in activation, while the other bodies are in potentiation.

    Quote:Entrance into incarnation requires the investment or activation of the indigo-ray or etheric body for this is the form maker. The young or small physical mind/body/spirit complex has the seven energy centers potentiated before the birthing process. There are also analogs in time/space of these energy centers corresponding to the seven energy centers in each of the seven true-color densities. Thus in the microcosm exists all the experience that is prepared. It is as though the infant contains the universe.

    So you see, the physical body is actually already 'prepared' for the entity before the incarnation actually begins with birth. It even says that the entity experiences the conception and the first breath.

    Quote:Therefore, as each entity enters the planetary energy web each entity experiences two major planetary influxes, that of the conception, which has to do with the physical, yellow-ray manifestation of the incarnation, and that of the moment you call birth when the breath is first drawn into the body complex of chemical yellow ray.

    Thus, from what I can see, where you say "human shell" and compare it to "soul", it seems to me what you are talking about is the conscious mind that is veiled, and its disconnect from the unconscious, the soul. This is a condition of the veil that we experience coming in to third-density. However, I think that since each body is prepared for an incarnation, I don't think there is an issue of consent. One of the reasons being that an entity apparent is not self-responsible right at the start of the incarnation but there is a 'buffer' period of sorts.

    Quote:18.7 Questioner: As an entity in this density grows from childhood, he becomes more aware of his responsibilities. Is there an age below which an entity is not responsible for his actions, or is he responsible from the time of birth?

    Ra: I am Ra. An entity incarnating upon the Earth plane becomes conscious of self at a varying point in its time/space progress through the continuum. This may have a median, shall we say, of approximately fifteen of your months. Some entities become conscious of self at a period closer to incarnation, some at a period farther from this event. In all cases responsibility then becomes retroactive from that point backwards in the continuum so that distortions are to be understood by the entity and dissolved as the entity learns.

    This suggests to me that the body itself doesn't have a self-awareness, at least not in the way we would consider it. It does have intelligence, but this intelligence is more of an extension rather than a self-awareness I believe. I think actually one of the fundamental effects of the veil is feeling like your body is 'not you' and that there is a disconnect. I think that's an effect of the separation between conscious and unconscious mind.

    Quote:47.9 Questioner: Which bodies do we have immediately after physical death from this yellow-ray body that I now inhabit?

    Ra: I am Ra. You have all bodies in potentiation.

    According to this, our bodies here are actually just 'denser' versions of our higher bodies.

    Quote:30.3 Questioner: Upon our physical death, as we call it, from this particular density and this particular incarnative experience, we lose this chemical body. Immediately after the loss of this chemical body do we maintain a different type of body? Is there still a mind/body/spirit complex at that point?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The mind/body/spirit complex is quite intact; the physical body complex you now associate with the term body being but manifestation of a more dense and intelligently informed and powerful body complex.

    Here they seem to pretty heavily imply that much of what we experience as this external body is a surface illusion.

    Quote:30.4 Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this chemical body that we now have?

    Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the fact that much of the activity of a mental nature of which you are aware during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface illusion as is the chemical body complex.

    In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distillation of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.

    So it appears to me that the 'blueprint' in our M/B/S complex is the image or base for the organization of chemicals in to the yellow-ray body.

    Quote:47.10 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body in potentiation is used to create the chemical arrangement that I have as a physical body now. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect only in that in your present incarnation the yellow-ray body is not in potentiation but in activation, it being that body which is manifest.

    Here is perhaps another way its worded that expresses it the most clearly.

    Quote:17.38 Questioner: Well, does each… does… this is difficult. Our physical plane: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?
    Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.

    The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.

    Thus, in the view of Ra, although a orange-ray chemical body may exist without a M/B/S complex, it is basically inert and essentially a biological machine, this rarely happens except in the womb. The yellow-ray body is something which is formed for an entity by that entity's own form-maker self, the M/B/S totality.

    Quote:The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

    The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

    So, you could say that the orange-ray body is 'inhabited' by the mind/spirit complex, but even here it says that it doesn't have self-awareness. In conclusion I would say that in the Ra Material our bodies are not seen to be separate entities which we are 'borrowing' but they are actual, direct manifestations of our own being.

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