The impulse to protect and polarization (Guns)

[Zachary]

One thing I think might be helpful to this debate is pointing out that Ra was directly answering only the question asked:  Which option is the most (personally) polarizing towards positivitiy?  I'm assuming the "personally," but from the response it seems that's what Ra did as well.  And he openly makes it clear that he's giving a very narrow answer, so to speak.

Basically, he's giving the min-max solution to the problem.  The optimal solution, for those seeking pure positive polarization.

But I think it's worth keeping in mind that catalyzing events will pretty much always contain a mixture of positive and negative elements.  The option to allow oneself to be sacrificed is the MOST positively-polarizing answer, but that doesn't imply all other options will have a negative outcome.  To one who seeks positive polarization, it would simply be less-positive than the optimal solution of self-sacrifice.

And I think his example of Jesus is a good way of illustrating how tricky this point really is.  From a personal standpoint, the entity we call Jesus gained much positive catalyst through his noble self-sacrifice.  Yet...  with JC dead so young, and with his ministry barely started, his message almost immediately became corrupted by those who had not time to truly understand it.   Over the centuries, this ultimately led to a church Jesus wouldn't have wanted, launching wars that Jesus would have abhorred, in the name of dogmatic doctrines Jesus wouldn't have recognized and certainly wouldn't have followed.

So...  what would have happened if Jesus had lived to a ripe old age?  What if Christians had ended up with thirty years of sermons to study, rather than only three?  What if Jesus had become well-known enough BEFORE his death that his life couldn't be so thoroughly mythologized and rewritten after-the-fact?

It's not hard to imagine a small negative act ultimately paying off with much greater positive long-term reward, in this case.   Or at least a massive lessening of negative acts.  Catalysts are funny that way.  A+B rarely yields AB.

Either way, going back to what Ra said...  The other thing he was trying to convey, I think, is that it's not THAT important for 3D beings to stress over this.  His aside about the impulse to protect loved-others persisting through 4th Density basically means:  "If you're 3D, you're not expected to have a grip on this and you've got an entire incarnative cycle ahead of you specifically for working that one out."

So basically, I'd say the answer is simply to do that which is in one's nature to do in such a situation, then seek the polarize the catalyst in the direction one seeks to grow.  

Or, put another way, there's no "right or wrong" here because on the 3D/4D planes we'll have made that same choice over and over, through countless iterations, over the course of our evolution towards 5D and beyond.  We've all pulled the trigger, and we've all watched loved ones die, and we've all thrown ourselves into pain for the sake of another.  The individual action/decision/catalyst itself is less important than the polarizing growth that follows.

What a great reply. Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts. 

Sabou- I feel similarly to you in that I don't feel as much of a need to protect myself, I don't think I have so much attachment to MY physical life but I have family (my mom) who I love very very much and I am very close with and would do ANYTHING for. I could not let her be hurt/killed if I could help it, in the name of Love. Also, I take this topic very seriously as killing is a very serious thing and not something that appeals to me, AT ALL.

 Thanks Everyone