04-29-2015, 01:07 PM
That sounds like me. When I am alone, I don't prefer to be alone, until I'm not alone if the person makes me still feel alone.
I'm asking that if you discovered all of this information on reincarnation, but without the Love aspect, and never realized yourself as more than just a human being, would you probably still be okay with, and consent to all of the suffering you've experienced in this life you've incarnated into?
You're otherwise correct, Gemini, in that we have all chosen to be here, or else we wouldn't be.
I think we do view the Rays similarly, though I do seem to struggle in applying them in a Wholesome manner. I see them each as an aspect of being encompassing wholly the previous being, so Red Ray would be a Core, with Orange Ray also comprising the Core but extending out past the Red Ray and into Yellow Ray, which itself comprises Orange Ray, and the Core, but extends beyond the Orange Ray and into Green Ray. Which also comprises the Core but extends beyond Yellow Ray and into Blue Ray, which itself comprises Green Ray all the way to the Core (so from Green to Red at this point), and then outwards into Indigo Ray which leads into Violet Ray which itself comprises Indigo, and all the others, right down to the Core.
So basically all are connected and belong together, inseparable. I just have a hard time linking them all together logically for some reason... I'll need to contemplate on that.
But my explanation has to do with Manifested Complex's. In 1D there is a mind/body complex, in 2D a mind/body/spirit complex begins to form, in 3D, that m/b/s complex begins to make it's choice and begins polarizing. Up to that point in regards to Density Being, up to 4D can physically live and exist on Earth right now. So a Red Ray being, Water, Fire, Air, Earth, and an Orange Ray Being, Animals, Human Body, and an Yellow Ray Being, (arguably) Dolphins, or Humans. I think it could be analogous to 1D Mind, 2D Body, 3D Spirit, 4D Complex, 5D Totality, 6D Unity 7D Allness, possibly... But in the context that I spoke of, I was referring it to a way Ra spoke of potentiated being of Earth in Yellow Ray once it becomes a full 4D Green Ray planet, it will be activated in Green Ray, and potentiated in Yellow Ray making Yellow Ray inhabitable to lifeforms for a while, while it heals.
I applied the same concept only in that when a consciousness who is incarnating as a Yellow Ray Being experiences a powerful and traumatic death, that they might latch onto the current incarnation at the loss of the Yellow Ray Experiences, making that version of death a type of separation of a portion of being from the Wholeness of the Being, but only temporarily until some time has passed or some aid has helped the Yellow Ray aspect of that Being move on and return. I think there is a reference to ghost's as being Yellow Ray in aspect, and...I think...Outer Personality Shells?
Hey, if I have my concepts for the Rays confused, please tell me.
(04-29-2015, 12:22 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(04-29-2015, 12:06 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: TL;DR What exactly are you asking?
He asks if you would agree to be here and experience suffering if it was part of your needed experiences?
The answer to that is that we all are here apparently while there's a whole infinity outside this sphere. I guess a few hundred billion of years of pure light and love can get boring and seem to not get or go anywhere.
I'm asking that if you discovered all of this information on reincarnation, but without the Love aspect, and never realized yourself as more than just a human being, would you probably still be okay with, and consent to all of the suffering you've experienced in this life you've incarnated into?
You're otherwise correct, Gemini, in that we have all chosen to be here, or else we wouldn't be.
(04-29-2015, 12:03 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(04-29-2015, 11:48 AM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: I think I've come to an unconscious answer on this matter.
The differentiation is maybe an illusion. Between all 7 layers of integrated manifested being. Ra makes a remark about each Ray holding in it a potential. To be on 3rd density means I need to have a Red Ray, Orange Ray, and Yellow Ray body not just in potential, but activated and occurring.
If the Red Ray is the makeup of my physical being, and the Orange Ray the structure of that makeup, and the Yellow Ray the Awareness of Self, then the Orange Ray in experiencing death will not see it as a loss of anything, but only as a change in experience. While Yellow Ray calls forth the aspect of self-awareness and relationship with all other structures (social structure, family structure, work structure, self structure).
If anything it seems, apparently, from my looking, that Yellow Ray Beings are the one's who experience a type of 'loss' of being in a sense that they've lost their chance and want to go back but can't, so stick around disembodied like as a 'ghost'. Orange Ray seems to simply experience death as a transition, possibly as does all things that can 'die'. Yellow Ray seems to allow the prospect of a disembodied or separated portion of the being occurring in death due to personal reasons.
So. I guess that answers my question, the Yellow Ray being can disconnect from the whole enough to cause issues in death, but overall there does not seem a placement where the loss of existence is experienced, Mind or otherwise.
It would seem the major loss of Mind complex is inferred to going alongside the loss of the physical brain in causing the habitual chatter-clutter of Mind complex occurrence. This is in no way actually said, just a contemplation on how on my part.
The mind is the ego, any regrets you'd have right before dying are the loss of your mind.
I do not view the 7 rays as you do. All seven rays in my view are those of the complex as a whole.
The body to me is a 1D entity, it is a very complex object yet in itself has no awareness of even the mind's thoughts. The loss of it is just like any object being destroyed and is part of 1D experiences of birth and death.
The mind is more perplexing, I view it as the 3D ego that is created. But I am not sure if in itself it exist as a 1D electromagnetic entity or as something more evolved. The mind can be viewed as simply an interface for the soul which is unaware of the thoughts it processes and as such would fit in 1D.
Then there's the soul or rather your higher-self's soul as the body and the mind also are souls in themselves (there isn't anything that isn't a soul). That soul can be native 3D or come from upper densities. And just like the mind's soul and body's soul, it experiences no death of itself. Death is only from within the illusion of losing a temporary state of beingness.
The soul which we usually refer as ourselves, is only the big brother of the complex.
I think we do view the Rays similarly, though I do seem to struggle in applying them in a Wholesome manner. I see them each as an aspect of being encompassing wholly the previous being, so Red Ray would be a Core, with Orange Ray also comprising the Core but extending out past the Red Ray and into Yellow Ray, which itself comprises Orange Ray, and the Core, but extends beyond the Orange Ray and into Green Ray. Which also comprises the Core but extends beyond Yellow Ray and into Blue Ray, which itself comprises Green Ray all the way to the Core (so from Green to Red at this point), and then outwards into Indigo Ray which leads into Violet Ray which itself comprises Indigo, and all the others, right down to the Core.
So basically all are connected and belong together, inseparable. I just have a hard time linking them all together logically for some reason... I'll need to contemplate on that.
But my explanation has to do with Manifested Complex's. In 1D there is a mind/body complex, in 2D a mind/body/spirit complex begins to form, in 3D, that m/b/s complex begins to make it's choice and begins polarizing. Up to that point in regards to Density Being, up to 4D can physically live and exist on Earth right now. So a Red Ray being, Water, Fire, Air, Earth, and an Orange Ray Being, Animals, Human Body, and an Yellow Ray Being, (arguably) Dolphins, or Humans. I think it could be analogous to 1D Mind, 2D Body, 3D Spirit, 4D Complex, 5D Totality, 6D Unity 7D Allness, possibly... But in the context that I spoke of, I was referring it to a way Ra spoke of potentiated being of Earth in Yellow Ray once it becomes a full 4D Green Ray planet, it will be activated in Green Ray, and potentiated in Yellow Ray making Yellow Ray inhabitable to lifeforms for a while, while it heals.
I applied the same concept only in that when a consciousness who is incarnating as a Yellow Ray Being experiences a powerful and traumatic death, that they might latch onto the current incarnation at the loss of the Yellow Ray Experiences, making that version of death a type of separation of a portion of being from the Wholeness of the Being, but only temporarily until some time has passed or some aid has helped the Yellow Ray aspect of that Being move on and return. I think there is a reference to ghost's as being Yellow Ray in aspect, and...I think...Outer Personality Shells?
Hey, if I have my concepts for the Rays confused, please tell me.