6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[unity100]

Did you mean that you aren't willing to subscribe to the idea of putting green ray work above the work of the other rays?

this. one comma there is probably confusing you.

however, the thing is that, an entity doing a higher frequency work would appear as 'not working' in the green ray, to the mindset of pablissimo and similar.

if we consider the case of franklin d roosevelt, who we know to be a wanderer, and remember his life and his activities, pablissimo wouldnt be able to find green ray work in the manner he desires in his life and activities.

yet, we know that this entity has quickly activated yellow and green rays, and then started to work on blue ray, thanks to a harmonious and easy childhood, according to what Ra says.

so, this entity had all his lower 4 chakras open, and was working on blue, when in politics. with his wife being his teacher. (probably in regard to blue).

yet, from what i understand, it would be impossible for pablissimo to find enough 'love' had he been dealing with him.

unity100, I feel that you are objecting to a kind of straw man caricature which other people here are not advocating.

this is not a matter in-general, this is a matter rather specific to pablissimo, and the private discussion we had through pm. it is a continuance of that. otherwise its not like that i am making a broad declaration in that regard and objecting to anything. he brought the matter up.

The Ra material is pretty clear that even in 3D, it is not possible to predefine what people should do. It is an efficient use of time to choose to polarize before Harvest. Some entities choose to not polarize, or don't choose at all, and therefore will have another 75,000 year opportunity. I get the impression that Ra does not judge about this, simply observes and offers help to those who do wish to polarize.

For those who do polarize towards service to others, "nothing is known" about how best for each entity to implement that intention of service. The service may or may not ever be recognizable to other 3D entities as the intent to fulfill a spiritual polarity.

For those polarizing, some are Wanderers and it seems to me that Ra also respects that the service of Wanderers may happen in any number of ways

that is the gist of the matter. pablissimo thinks that wanderers are also here to polarize, REDO 3d choices of positive or negative, and should all polarize and act in green ray, over all other rays.

in the private discussion, he was adamant on the idea that wanderers (of 4, 5, 6d) were here to polarize, redo the 3d choices, and act in green ray. in here at least, he recognizes that there are other rays to be considered too, but his stance still is bent on making all wanderers act as 4d entities of green ray.

Note the mention of polarization. This would seem to agree with Pablísimo's argument, as would the emphasis on the altruistic nature of choosing to wander (lightening of vibrations, offering of catalyst).

notice though,

the first task of a wanderer, in regard to OTHER entities, is the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions. higher frequency vibrations, less distorted consciousness.

this is where pablissimo's idea falls short :

as we know from Ra, green ray entity is inefficient in the wake of blockages of other entities. green ray entity is not a co creator, not an entity that has the knowledge and wisdom of the dance of existence yet. therefore, it is harder for a green ray entity to identify issues, determine causes of blockages, and the best way (if possible) to remove/alleviate those blockages.

green ray entity can only accept another entity as it is, and expect the power of love to transform the other entity. this, may work on occasions that the other entity doesnt have a strong conditioning, or, if the green ray entity's green ray activity is much more powerful compared to the other entity's ray activities. but tho, there is also the possibility that such overloading of love may lead to further distortions on the other entity. (spoiledness, ego, this that).

blue ray and over activities are higher vibrations. introduction of these into the planetary sphere heals much more issues, fixes much more blockages, and lightens the planetary consciousness.

had it been otherwise, we wouldnt have buddha. we wouldnt have taoists, we wouldnt have zen, and many other philosophies and wanderers regarding that.

you wouldnt be able to identify the kind of green ray activity in regard to other selves in buddha philosophy, or in his life, that pablissimo wants the wanderers to manifest. yet, this entity was probably one of the most successful wanderers, and of a quite high ray activity. i dont need to talk about the balancing effects of his work and his activity on the consciousness of this planet, i believe.

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in regard to polarization of the wanderer's own self, it is one of the two reasons Ra cites for the reasons a wanderer incarnates. it is not the sole purpose.

however, polarization is not directly relevant to the progress of an entity in a higher density - as far as we know, the harvest for 5d from 4d, happens only with the entities which are ready to take the responsibility of learning. it doesnt matter whether they are polarized 99%, or 90%.

it is also to be remembered that, polarization is the power, potential to do work. as we are taught by Ra. a wanderer polarizing, therefore increasing its own power to do work in its field of activity. it is something good, but, it would not relate directly to progress.

however i am suspecting there is a chance that polarization be important for 4d entities to reach the end of 4d, to be able to go through the harvest of 5d.

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but these are all peripherals. for, the real issue here pablissimo holds against me, is not any of these. these are all his rationalizations, from what i understand from the private discussion.

the problem is, he thinks that the forum was a more 'loving' place, before i came. and, now, it is not so loving anymore, and formal.

i queried him, what kind of a loving place can someplace be, if it breaks down to aggression and discord at the slightest disagreement.

the definition of love is, accepting the other selves AS they are, HOW they are, DESPITE what they are (at least in your eyes).

it is easy to 'love' or be in a 'loving' environment as long as everyone hides their differences, and differences are ignored, rather than accepted. why, you could set up such an environment in the office, workplace even. all that is missing would be the addition of 'i love you bro/sis' at the end of every other sentence. and then it would be all cozy, and well, and 'loving' ...


not.


it would be fake. it would be a lie. it wouldnt even help anyone to progress positively or negatively, because, it would be an illusion. positive path requires honesty, before anything. for, if you are not honest, you cannot accept and love yourself, and if the other people are not honest, you cannot see their differences and love them DESPITE the differences.

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then it turned to the 'tone' of my speech and posts. at this point, i have said that, my tone and speech was as polite and formal as it could be. and actually, if you just remove the 'we leave you in the light and love of creator' etc bits from occasional end of session remarks from Ra material, ra material often ends up being way too offstandish and 'unloving' than my text. as i said before, after reading silver birch, bartholomew, i was finding Ra quite 'cold' back in 1995 myself.

there are various other side objections and issues. for example my seeking without polarization. he thinks that this makes one service to self. albeit, ra is seeking without polarity as they state themselves, yet, we are all here, reading their text and learning, including pablissimo. actually if im not mistaken this was the point where he started arguing that the mission of wanderers incarnating into a 3d world was to do green ray activity.

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so is the general summary of the situation. ie, my objection at a strawman argument that people are bringing, is 'not'. because, as you said, there are but few people who are bringing such ideas and arguments, and i dont see it necessary to continually come up with counter arguments. yet, this was specifically brought up by pablissimo, hence, the need to respond.

otherwise i am myself too tired of arguing with people who are in the opinion that 'god is love' (green ray) or everything should be love, this that, all the while using and enjoying the service provided to them by higher ray activities, such as the very computers and the internet they are using to talk over.

one thing this episode thought me however, is, what Ra meant by '4d entities need the entities of their own density'.