6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[Pablísimo]

these are my conclusions indeed,

Agreed.

however, i am backing it with what i have been taught by the material we all read, and im providing references to it.

moreover, some of these are basic, simple, direct conclusions of what has been said to us, as you will just see in the block below this one.

in the meantime, if there are anything you want to see referenced in particular from what i am saying, just let me know.

Well, you are basing your conclusions on your PERCEPTION of the Ra material. In my view, you are totally wrong. However, I respect your right to have a different opinion, especially about something so very complex. Both perspectives are valid, but the idea that we don't have to make the 3D Choice again if one is a Wanderer is a very unique interpretation based on the vast majority of posts on the topic by the vast majority of members here. That's really my only point, that your opinion is quite unique and I believe the source of much confusion on this forum.

Unfortunately, given your manner of speaking, manner of using grammar, etc it's not always immediately obvious what you mean when you bring up wisdom. I was once one of your staunchest defenders until I realized with absolute horror that you were actually espousing the idea that pursuing STO polarization was not something a Wanderer should be concerned with.

it is not me. one of the reasons cited for the wanderer phenomenon in Ra material is, the fact that entities incarnating as wanderers can greatly accelerate their progress by incarnating in 3d, as opposed to continuing their learning in their own densities.

Wanderers are not selfish beings, incarnating in this difficult density is an act of Love and Compassion. It would be exceedingly selfish to incarnate here with the PRIMARY purpose of working on your own lessons in higher dimensions. Do you not see the distinction I am trying to make? That while it is certainly possible to work on advanced lessons, that is not the PRIMARY purpose of a Wanderer's incarnation here. And, to me at least, polarizing positively and sharing love and compassion with Other-Selves IS quite important.

I am trying to avoid getting sucked into another fruitless debate, since in my experience you are not wont to concede even minor points shared by others. If you are not open to LEARNING,if you are only TEACHING and totally convinced of your own perspective, there's little point in discussion. I try to have an underlying humility and respect for other points of view, and in my experience debate is fruitless unless BOTH people share that perspective.

However, I will just say that I think where you're missing the point is that YES, Ra did indicate that incarnating as Wanderers can greatly accelerate their progress in their home densities. However, that is SECONDARY to the primary purpose of incarnating here, which is to radiate love and Re-learn the lessons of this Density so that you can serve as a beacon to other-selves. To lighten the consciousness. Ra certainly did not advocate that Wanderers come here ONLY to work on advanced topics and just forget polarizing STO.

I once asked you directly if you were STO oriented and you told me quite matter of factly that you were above that polarity, that you were "we". I know that doesn't make you STS, it just sounds like a misguided idea that you are in 6D right now instead of a Wanderer in 3D. So please don't misunderstand me, I just want to make it abundantly clear where we are all coming from.

You bring up these points about the advanced growth that is possible, which is totally valid, but somehow reject the idea that 3D lessons are important as well. That is the part that I think is so different.

first of all, we cannot forget what the dark ones did with the teachings later on. because, it is the very thing that shows how foolish and naive that act was, in that his sacrifice and lack of wisdom has paved the way for a very strong, tight and repressive negative hierarchy to form, and hold entities in its grips until very recently, barring a lot of positive progress and negative progress.

Well, in a grand sense we cannot forget what the dark ones did. However, the negatives will ALWAYS try to twist positivity around. Jesus was not the only Teacher they have done that to. My basic point was that if Jesus had neglected his green ray work, there would have been no Teachings for the dark ones TO corrupt! If he skipped out on making the choice in that incarnation, he wouldn't have had anything of value to the people he taught, and the negatives wouldn't have needed to twist it around to such extremes.

one can also remember that how similar this naivete is, to the one yahweh exhibited - it has the same exact pattern - their overcompassionate acts without thinking in detail in regard to long term consequences and possibilities of their actions, have resulted in the messages of both entities being usurped by negative entities.

Well, I think given the structure of this world the negatives will always try to corrupt positive messages no matter how well they are developed. Yahwehs actions are a good example of higher density meddling being exceedingly foolish.

However, i don't think the analogy quite works -- why? Because again I am making a distinction between higher density entities and WANDERERS in 3D bodies. I think overall Jesus did a pretty good job overall with his incarnation, even if he did martyr himself. Yahweh on the other hand... not so much, but that was not a Wanderer in a 3D body at the time.

Again and again we come to this, my friend: Wanderer Soul in a 3D body has to do the same basic lessons of a 3D soul in a 3D body, and that includes polarizing and making the choice. Sure they can pick up extra advanced lessons, but that's just a fringe benefit of being here -- it wasn't the purpose of coming to the party.

secondly, it seems that you are in the impression that higher rays exclude green ray. this is a misconception. blue ray is a higher vibration than green ray, and it also includes green ray characteristics. indigo is higher than blue, and it includes all the other rays' characteristics.

Have you read your own words? It is not me who is pursuing higher ray work to the exclusion of lower ray.

and in my view, you are, for some reason, trying to limit the existence of wanderer phenomenon to repetition of choice and polarization and the work of green ray.

No, what I am saying is that the advanced work you are talking about is possible, and even important, yes, but NOT to the exclusion of 3D polarization and The Choice. You are telling me that one does not need to polarize and make the Choice if they are a wanderer. I categorically reject this based on my own reading of the Ra material.

By all means pursue advanced work, but it just does not resonate with me to skip 3D work.

This is a fundamental difference in our interpretation of the PURPOSE of being in a 3D body as a Wanderer in the first place. I am not advocating not doing any advanced work... I am advocating doing your PRIMARY 3D Choice/Love and green ray work in tandem with any advanced work you think you are doing.

and as i have explained, in the block 2 above, i am not making any logical leap of faith at all. wanderers are able to accelerate the progression of their density by incarnating into 3d worlds.

that does mean that the lessons of 4d,5d, 6d, have to be learned by these wanderers in 3d, because, you cannot accelerate 6d progression while incarnated in 3d world, by not learning the lessons of 6d.

What?!?! Wanderer's don't have to learn these higher D lessons while incarnated in a 3D body. You can learn 4D lessons in 4D. You can learn 5D lessons in 5D. You can learn 6D lessons in 6D. That's the whole point of those densities. This Wanderer situation is unusual... the normal progression of Souls is to work through their own densities and graduate within them.

I have no doubt that a 6D entity can pick up some valuable experience from incarnating again in 3D. This is a side benefit to being here, and really small compensation for the enormous difficulty Wanderers have living in this environment. However, the experience picked up here will be parsed by the entity and its Social Memory Complex, and will undoubtedly aid in future growth.

However, the very idea that this is the main point is very selfish. It's bizarre almost... like having a totally STS purpose for doing a major STO act. I see Wanderers as making a great and compassionate sacrifice by incarnating here, not simply doing it to help themselves. The only reason to do something so foolhardy as incarnate on a place like Earth would be a deep and abiding love of Other-Selves. A sincere and pure desire to help increase the positive harvest as much as possible, radiate love, make the Choice all over again and be an inspiration and example to 3D brothers and sisters struggling to make their own choice.

i base my claim on the fact that wanderers are able to accelerate their progression by incarnating in 3d. it is a simple conclusion.

To the exclusion of all else?

for this conclusion to be wrong, entities would need to be able to accelerate their progression in higher densities by ignoring 4,5,6d lessons, and repeating choice and polarization of 3d over and over, while incarnated in 3d.

Why are they mutually exclusive? Why can one not polarize, make the choice, and still work on advanced topics as well?

since it is impossible to graduate from any density without learning its lessons, it is impossible. any kind of progression in a density requires lessons and experiences related to that density. that is why more than one density is present.

You are aware, of course, that we are in 3D right?

that means, entities incarnating in 3d are not able to, and cannot be able to accelerate their progression by not learning 4, 5, 6d lessons, and its immediate conclusion would be, since these wanderers are able to progress in regard to their own density while incarnated in 3d, they DO learn the lessons of their own densities in 3d.

.... Well, my opinion is that they have to Re-Learn the lessons of love in this density. And that they can gather some experience for use in higher densities, but ultimately one can only make real progress within their home density.

with this conclusion, it would mean that an entity would be learning whatever lessons it has to learn in 3d, as opposed to its own density.

Can't you do both? Make your choice, polarize positively, and then work on advanced topics? Otherwise, is incarnating here STS or STO? Honestly, who did you come to serve? Yes I know we are all One, but you know what I mean by that question.

this may be blue ray work, entity may be lacking in wisdom or communication or other concepts, hence the entity may become a poet, a writer, or a teacher, or it may be indigo ray work, the entity may keep to a monastery or do extensive meditation or engage in sciences or any kind of creative activity that involves indigo ray work, or the entity may be lacking in compassion and it may become a father, mother, an orphanage manager, this or that.

it totally depends on whatever particular energy/evolutionary model the entity has at that given time and what it needs to do or it can do in a given 3d planet.

that means, wanderers' lessons and service is not limited to green ray manifestations, as you so insistently claim.

No, sir, I do not insistently claim that a Wanderer's service is limited to Green ray. What I claim is that a Wanderer must not work on higher level lessons to the EXCLUSION of Green-ray work. And absolutely Wanderers can offer service in many different ways, but remember the primary reason -- to radiate love, to raise consciousness, to polarize and be a beacon for Other-Selves. That's what I'm saying.

again, you are reducing an entire creation to green ray as a corollary of your approach.

service does not mean green ray love. but maybe more importantly, existence does not mean green ray. green ray, is just one of the 7 densities in this octave only. there are infinite number of octaves before this one, and after this one.

No sir, again. You are right about existence in general. I am talking about 3D, where we are both incarnated now. And in 3D, the primary service a wanderer provides is indeed green ray love, per the Ra material. There is a beautiful, infinitely vast array of services that can be provided, but let us not lose sight of the primary purpose.

the proposition that 'wanderers having ONLY incarnated to work on their own higher-ray work that they have a home density for is selfish' is extremely devoid of links with base principles of rays and densities by the way.

You really feel that way? Again, I'm basing my opinions on what the Ra material actually says about Wanderers and the primary purpose.

You don't feel that only incarnating to help your own evolution without thought to helping others is not inherently selfish?

leaving the fact that all higher rays include vibrations of all the lower rays in them, the above proposition says that if a wanderer here had only worked on blue ray, or indigo ray, that would mean that it would be selfish, self centered.

so, then, blue ray, indigo ray, are self oriented rays ? wouldnt this also directly lead to a conclusion that, 5d, 6d, positive manifestations are also selfish ?

noone is able to make use of keyboards, monitor screens, computers, mass transportation vehicles, or poems, books then ?

since these are the results of 'selfish' rays, because, innumerable wanderers and entities have worked on these rays, instead of green ray ?

No, sir, that is not what I'm saying. Again, I object to skipping the polarization process. In fact, as I recall the very hallmark of STS adepts is to bypass greenray and jump straight to blue.

My point is that we don't have to limit ourselves to Green ray work, but we absolutely should not completely skip it.

on the final note, you can also find quotes from mark twain, winston churchill, or even napoleon, regarding compassion or love. but, that doesnt mean that their existence and manifestation was of a green ray manifestation, or they were wanderers.

Hmm, perhaps you missed my point there. I was trying to provide an example of an obvious Wanderer who has obviously contributed greatly in technical and scientific areas, who at the same time did not neglect his Choice. Who polarized positively IN TANDEM with his advanced work.

i dont remember any extensive supporting evidence in the discussion in pms, regarding how manifesting green ray love was the duty of a wanderer. i remember you trying to limit the existence of a wanderer in a 3d veiled planet to manifestation and repeating of the choice, and polarization of 3d. however it seems that you have rather changed your approach, and you are now also recognizing other rays.

I do not wish to call anyone a liar, so I would invite you simply to re-read them in that case.

Again I point out that if one is totally closeminded to other perspectives, if one only believes they are here to TEACH rather than to learn as well (remember THAT conversation?), then there's little value in discussing anything.

i do not remember at any point telling 'forget green ray work' in any topic, in any occasion, at any point, to anyone. i have repeatedly mentioned that, for an entity to be of balance and manifest fully, it needs to open and clear its energy centers as much as possible. even leaving that aside, i went to the extent that an entity should not only do these, but also pay equal attention to mind, body and spirit and ignore none of these to be actually balanced.

Well you often don't speak directly, but I think a fair reading of all of your posts with the understanding that you reject STO polarization will bear up my remarks.

it seems to me that, because i am not willing to subscribe to the idea of green ray work, green ray should come before all other kinds of rays and work, you are going totally to the opposite and putting the word in my mouth and turning it to 'ignore green ray'.

I apologize for putting any words in your mouth, if that is indeed what I have done. I was only sharing my perceptions.

I don't know what to say to that block... in the first part you write "I am not willing to subscribe to the idea of green ray work" and in the last part you said I am turning it into "ignore green ray".

Look, as I have said before I believe we are all mirrors for eachother. If one is sending out negative energy, if one is chomping at the bit for an argumentative debate, if there is no underlying respect, love and compassion for the Other-selves with whom one is debating, then I believe we are achieving nothing other than spreading negativity. I will not participate in that kind of closed-loop negativity much longer.

I have achieved my goal with these posts in making it absolutely clear for everyone where you are coming from the next time you mention wisdom. I completely trust that the members on this forum will use their own discernment and will respond to your ideas appropriately on any topic you choose to engage in.

Having completely failed to lovingly, compassionately, reach out to you privately and find common ground, I have done what I see as my duty to the group to at least get these issues on the table so that EVERYONE can evaluate future topics with eyes wide open. You can believe polarizing STO is not important, that is absolutely your right, but no longer will those ideas slide under the radar.

I do not intend to respond line by line in another series of posts or bore anyone else with my long text and opinions.

I wish you peace, blessings and love. I respect your ideas, even if you do not respect mine. I honor your right to your perspective, even it does not match my own.

Respect, humility, love, STO polarization, and compassion are important to me. I make no apologies for that. If these same ideas are not so important to you, that is absolutely your right as a beautiful expression of the One Infinite Creator. However, it puts you at odds with those polarizing STO.

Love to all