Why I am not a vegan

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Then I'm going to assume you are intentionally being obtuse because you can't answer the question directly. "Eating meat is STS" is the cornerstone of logic that ties your personal views to the Ra Material, which falls apart if you can't judge the polarity of another 3D entity's act.

I did answer your question, very thoroughly, in post #784.

You didn't accept my answer. Not only that, but no one here has been willing to apply the same logic to humans.

I ask you again: Is knowingly, consciously, needlessly raping/torturing/killing a human congruent with the STO path?

If you cannot answer yes, then why not? Because it's inherently STS. No one seems to have a problem with that statement, yet they do when the same logic is applied to younger other-selves. That shows that it's not because of what Ra said, but about something else. What is that something else? Speciesism? Societal conditioning?

Ra didn't mean that we can't use discernment at all!! If so, then would be the point of knowing about the attributes of the polarities?

52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance?

Ra: I am Ra. In actuality these things are of importance in third through early seventh densities. The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service-to-others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

There are 2 areas of significance to this:


1. If Ra is telling us that it's very important to use our faculty of will wisely, even to the point of cautioning us to potential danger, and saying that it cannot be ascribed 'too much importance' then obviously this means our free will is VERY important! Our choices are VERY important! And what did Ra advise us to do? To use our will carefully and direct it in the service to others.


There it is, right there, Parsons. There is your answer. When I said that knowingly, needlessly, consciously contributing to the suffering of others isn't STO, I wasn't referring to a numerical value of how much it polarizes, as everyone seemed to think. That quote by Ra saying it was impossible to gauge the polarity was talking about that. Rather, I was referring to what Ra says in the above quote: The essence of serving others or serving self. Why did Ra call the 2 paths thusly? Because they have attributes. Do the names of the paths mean nothing? 


I ask you this: HOW is [font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]knowingly, needlessly, consciously contributing to the suffering of others possibly serving them?[/font]

Quite simply, it isn't. That's why it's NOT STO.


Not serving others = NOT STO. Simple.


People got their panties in a bundle when I dared to use an analogy about raping/murdering humans. Why? Because those actions are obviously not congruent with the STO path. Why? Duh, because raping/murdering someone isn't serving them! Unless they are STS, that is, in which case it is, because that is their task.


Raping/murdering our younger other-selves isn't serving them either! So obviously, it isn't STO! I don't know how to say this any more clearly. It is simply impossible to spin this bloody abomination into anything positive.  And there is NO counterargument to it! That's why the discussion always degenerates! The ONLY counterargument is that animals don't matter because they're 2D...which shows disregard and lack of compassion for beings who respond to compassion.


We are told by Ra to serve others. Why? And whom do we serve? Does it not make sense that any being capable of responding to our compassion is worthy of being served? If our compassion can serve a cow or chicken, who is sentient and calling out for help, then how is that any less STO than serving a human? Open-hearted service to others is the same, whether it'd directed to 3D other-selves, or higher 2D other-selves.


Conversely, harming others who can feel suffering, is the same, whether it's done to a higher 2D entity (who can feel pain and suffering) or a 3D entity (who can feel pain and suffering). The criteria should be whether they can suffer, NOT whether they are 2D or 3D!


The idea that higher 2D other-selves don't need to be served, don't need compassion, don't need love, and it's ok to cause suffering to them, violate their free will, and kill them, all to serve our lust for the taste of their flesh, flies in the face of reason.


2. The bold part seems to imply some responsibility, even with subconscious choices. I'd put eating meat in that category...to continue to do it, when knowing of the suffering it causes...out of habit or taste? Does that not affect one's polarity? Is there no responsibility for one's choices? Ra seems to indicate that there is, or at least that seems pretty obvious to me, reading that.

The reason we keep going round and round on the meat topic has nothing to do with some vague aversion to discerning something as STS or STO, because people don't mind doing that when the victim is human. No, the reason we keep going round and round is quite simple: Because they don't consider higher 2D entities to be other-selves.


Never mind that they have individual minds, in contrast to the blades of grass in your lawn. Never mind that they think and feel emotions, just like you do. Never mind that they have free will, and struggle to get away from impending death. Never mind that Ra even answers their call.


It's ok to use them as we wish, even kill them - the ultimate domination - WHY?? Because they aren't human. 


That's it. That is the only reason ever given. It all boils down to that.


And what is that but a form of bigotry? It is Speciesism, quite simply. No different from what was done to black 'slaves' and other human miniorities.


It isn't seen that way, because of societal conditioning. Society once said human slavery was ok too.


I have nothing more to say. I leave all of you with this. I wash my hands of it. I am completely disgusted by the calloused disregard for the BILLIONS of sentient beings who are suffering and calling out, right now, and holding this planet back. The idea that our planet could suddenly go poof into 4D STO while still knowingly, consciously, needlessly contributing to cruelty would be laughable, if it weren't so sad.


Meanwhile, more and more average people - who've never heard of the Law of One - are opening their minds and their hearts, and choosing to reduce their contribution to cruelty by eliminating meat and dairy. It's impossible to eliminate all contribution, unfortunately, because it's insidious in daily life. But they are doing what they can...and that is the whole point.


These people have never heard of the Law of One and don't claim to be some sort of high being, a 6D Wanderer. What a joke! That makes about as much sense as the Christians who think they have their ticket. 


No, they are just average people who have opened their hearts...who have heard the cry of the oppressed and are answering the call...while the self-professed '6D Wanderers' continue to support the oppressing.


How ironic.


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I highly recommend that everyone read this reply by Monica. There's a lot of good information there. If you don't get it with that, then you're never going to get it (at least not in this lifetime).