Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Animal abuse and eating meat are different subjects.  Suppose someone only ate meat from animals they found dead.  Would you have a problem with that?  Perfect example of why they are different subjects.  Meat obtained, and no animals were deliberately killed by the obtainer.

That is the only example...aside from lab-grown meat. But you are venturing into the realm of absurdity. People don't normally eat roadkill, and if they do, that's the exception.

The conversation is about eating meat...that usually means meat bought from the grocery store, a farmer, a butcher, or a hunter...or hunting and killing the animal yourself.

That question is like "but what if you're stranded on an island?" It's just absurd.

For the record, I didn't watch the video (I assume it is a video of some kind of animal abuse), some of us don't want to focus on violent imagery.  I have no idea if that involved violent imagery, but you might want to include a description in the future so people don't have to guess.

What's wrong with violent imagery? If killing animals is no big deal, then why not watch how it's done? Why not face what one is supporting?

I don't have time right now to go back to all the old posts, but the general response from many people is "oh you are judging...you are controlling...you are preaching...you are trying to make me feel guilty." blah blah blah

But how did you know it was rape, without asking the victim?  I said rape is still negative because rape is negative (for someone).  The word rape presupposes polarity/motivation/response beforehand.  So yes, rape is definitely negative for SOMEBODY, because it presupposes "unwillingness".  You just can't judge the unwillingness without recourse to the victim.  Appearances are not always what they seem.  

Oh good grief. This is just stupid. Sorry, but it is. You're not even willing to watch actual footage of real victims screaming in pain and struggling to get away, and then you say "you can't judge the unwillingness" and "Appearances are not always what they seem"? I mean, seriously???

Have people's interpretation of the Law of One made them so 'politically correct' that they can't even acknowledge that someone - not even an animal but a human - getting raped is a violation of free will? Seriously???

I have zero respect for those who participate in the suffering of others, but aren't even willing to take a look at what they are doing because they are too squeamish. If just observing the cruelty to these beings is uncomfortable to watch, then what does that say about what the victims are experiencing?

Ooops, I forgot...they don't matter of course. They are only '2D' so they don't matter. It's fine to mutilate them without anesthesia, keep them confined their entire lives, unable to even turn around, rape them, steal their babies, feed them drugs so they are in constant pain, scald them and pluck their fur or feathers while they are still awake and conscious...all of that is ok because they are 'only 2D.'

That sounds exactly what was said about human slaves...

This place is just a farce. Yes, it's a farce. Spiritual BS. Yes, I'm venting right now, and I don't apologize for it. I guess if it bothers anyone they will just have to 'accept' it. But I think all the talk about being Wanderers - 6D Wanderers! - is total BS, when people can't even understand basic compassion, and continually defend their own participation in the senseless violence towards sentient beings. It's disgusting.