04-07-2015, 04:20 PM
Monica Wrote: Look at this. How is this NOT control and domination?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTH_b-cXyE
Animal abuse and eating meat are different subjects. Suppose someone only ate meat from animals they found dead. Would you have a problem with that? Perfect example of why they are different subjects. Meat obtained, and no animals were deliberately killed by the obtainer.
For the record, I didn't watch the video (I assume it is a video of some kind of animal abuse), some of us don't want to focus on violent imagery. I have no idea if that involved violent imagery, but you might want to include a description in the future so people don't have to guess.
Monica Wrote: I do indeed insinuate about actions, but never about people. That is the difference. I don't presume to know someone's motivation.
Okay, when did I presume to know your motivation?
Monica Wrote: The point is: Is it congruent with the STO path to be the one administering those services?
It is funny you bring up "perspective", because you tend to describe situations where you ASSUME the perspective, like you absolutely know what it is. When you look out at the animal kingdom, in my opinion, you don't see them as they are, you see them as little people. Their consciousness has a different perspective, and they are perfectly content being in the food chain. And please don't post a video of factory farming abuse, because that is not even remotely the same thing.
The animals that live around people tend to pick up more and more of our qualities however.
It may seem like i'm assuming perspective here, as well, but the difference is I'm not making hard and fast rules about what is STS and what is STO. You are drawing lines in the sand. Every situation is unique.
Monica Wrote: You just did it. You just said rape was negative.
But how did you know it was rape, without asking the victim? I said rape is still negative because rape is negative (for someone). The word rape presupposes polarity/motivation/response beforehand. So yes, rape is definitely negative for SOMEBODY, because it presupposes "unwillingness". You just can't judge the unwillingness without recourse to the victim. Appearances are not always what they seem.

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