Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

[Monica]

What you said is interesting, but I think that it may be a little different from what Ra has stated. Check it out:

19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.


I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.

I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

Can you explain what you see as a contradiction? I'm not following you.

My interpretation of the part you bolded is that Ra was explaining that 2D entities have a very strong collective consciousness. This is still seen, even in 3D: Just notice the strong 'us vs them' mentality that humans display, when they identify strongly with a country, religion, political party, or even football team! This is that 'herd mentality' carrying over, even into 3D!

This herd mentality is clearly still present, especially in pack animals, but being that it is also present in 3D humans, it doesn't seem to preclude individuation/sentience/development of mind/body complex. In other words, the herd mentality can coexist with sentience. (Just look at any rabid football fan!)

If we reconcile your bolded quote with this one:

19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all. Am I correct?


Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

...this seems to indicate that the herd mentality can also spawn the first glimmerings of STO behavior.

Please let me know what you think, after taking both quotes into consideration.

Now the only thing that I can think about is that this channeled material was affected by a general bias that people had in the early 80s against having a true empathy towards animals. In other words, Ra may have wanted to say something that would have been perceived as "humanitarian" towards animals, but the general climate of thought at that time prevented it from coming out that way.

That's a very astute observation. My opinion is that the Ra Material is less distorted than any other channeled material I've read, but it's still distorted, to some degree. Even Ra admitted that they were just trying to minimize distortion, seemingly implying that it wasn't possible to eliminate distortion altogether.

The Q'uo material has much more distortion, in my opinion. There is a wealth of golden nuggets in the Q'uo material, but completely undistorted? No. Nothing is completely undistorted.

Add to that, that Ra was being very cautious - maybe overly cautious - about infringement, after their experience with the Egyptians.

I suspect that this may be the case since Ra also makes a statement that can be perceived as viewing homosexuality as somewhat unnatural. Look here:

31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

Yes, good point! And, if I remember correctly, Ra even said it was difficult for a homosexual person to graduate! Interestingly, Carla said (in Book V, I think it was) that that was one of the few statements by Ra that she disagreed with. So, if that particular distortion (if it is in fact a distortion, which I think it is) didn't come from one of Carla's biases, where did it come from?

I just want to make it clear that I'm not calling Carla a biased person. It's just that the society at that time very likely had an impact on the channeled material. I would also say that Ra most likely understood that there were certain things that were not perceived as appropriate at that time. Generally speaking.

Well everyone has biases, including Carla. (Even Ra admits to an STO bias!) I know that she tried very hard to be as clear as possible when channeling, and that is to her credit, surely, but I don't think any channeled material is completely free of bias. It's inevitable that it will be colored somewhat, by the person channeling.

As we've seen by the heated debates here, and how easily people get their buttons pushed by discussion of this topic, could that also have been a factor? Ra had to make decisions, to accomplish their objective.