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    07-26-2010, 06:19 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2010, 06:29 PM by Questioner.)
    (07-25-2010, 11:25 PM)Confused Wrote: From your description of the Enneagram, I feel that it allows us to watch our minds in order to accept responsibility for each moment.

    Right on. From your citations I think we may be talking about the same thing. Empowerment certainly does include the choice of what you can let go of. I had trouble with "enforcement" because I thought of a stern cop, ready to beat up non-conformers. To me, the archetypes are simply the ingredients that are available and compatible. A cook doesn't compel people to have to eat meals that include proteins and carbohydrates and vitamins... it's simply what we have to include, in enough levels, to maintain our physical health. And we need enough of all the archetypes in our lives for balanced spiritual health.
    (07-26-2010, 02:17 AM)colorado Wrote: Just took the test
    http://bring4th.org/forums/newreply.php?...&pid=17325
    Remember that there is no one definitive test, because the Enneagram wasn't developed using the scientific method. It is based on observation, but it doesn't include theories that can be falsified based on repeatable, objective experiments. So everyone may have their own idea of what keywords or sentences indicate particular types, but it's not like there is some doctoral committee at Caltech that can switch on a computer to measure the validity of any particular test.

    In a curious side note, this distinction between science and creativity actually got its earliest modern proponent, Oscar Ichazo, into legal trouble. Based on his training materials going back to 1971, he sued later Enneagram author Helen Palmer for copyright infringement in her 1988 book. The court ruled that Ichazo claimed that the Enneagram was an expression of physical facts of reality, not that he just made it all up. Since he had made this claim, the court concluded that he couldn't win a copyright case against someone else who discussed the same principles in her own words. Now if he had originally claimed that he made it all up in his own personal creative mind, he would have had the right to win against her book full of similar ideas and language. The appeals ruling is at http://floridalawfirm.com/arica.html.

    I'll discuss types 1 and 4 (along with 7) in my upcoming overview of the final three types. Meanwhile, if you'd like to point out why you feel that the type 9 identification might be accurate, I'd be happy to hear it.

    Spirituality of type 2 essay is ready to post once someone else puts in another post as a divider. I touch on some deep stuff with this one and will be interested in any responses.

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    Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-15-2010, 01:17 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-18-2010, 12:01 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-18-2010, 02:02 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Lorna - 07-18-2010, 02:56 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-18-2010, 03:32 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-18-2010, 06:49 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Lorna - 07-18-2010, 03:40 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-18-2010, 08:14 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-18-2010, 09:24 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-18-2010, 09:42 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-18-2010, 10:49 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Phoenix - 07-19-2010, 12:01 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Godz Enigma - 07-19-2010, 12:42 PM
    Type 3 - by Questioner - 07-19-2010, 05:43 PM
    RE: Type 3 - by Confused - 07-19-2010, 09:43 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by AnthroHeart - 07-20-2010, 10:33 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-20-2010, 10:39 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by AnthroHeart - 07-20-2010, 02:34 PM
    Type 3 and competition - by Questioner - 07-20-2010, 02:04 PM
    RE: Type 3 and competition - by Confused - 07-20-2010, 07:50 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-20-2010, 09:52 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-21-2010, 02:28 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Aaron - 07-21-2010, 10:41 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-21-2010, 03:50 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-21-2010, 11:19 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by AnthroHeart - 07-21-2010, 04:09 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by CircleofOne - 07-21-2010, 04:58 PM
    Type 9: the Peacemaker - by Questioner - 07-21-2010, 05:07 PM
    RE: Type 9: the Peacemaker - by Lorna - 07-21-2010, 06:35 PM
    RE: Type 9: the Peacemaker - by Confused - 07-21-2010, 08:02 PM
    RE: Type 9: the Peacemaker - by AnthroHeart - 07-22-2010, 10:19 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-21-2010, 08:08 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-21-2010, 09:30 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by LsavedSmeD - 07-21-2010, 09:02 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-21-2010, 09:10 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by LsavedSmeD - 07-21-2010, 09:16 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-21-2010, 09:24 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by LsavedSmeD - 07-21-2010, 09:33 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-21-2010, 09:53 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-21-2010, 09:37 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by LsavedSmeD - 07-21-2010, 09:46 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-21-2010, 09:48 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-21-2010, 10:11 PM
    Who is your God? - by Questioner - 07-22-2010, 02:46 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-22-2010, 02:56 PM
    Where is your God now, type 3? - by Questioner - 07-22-2010, 03:00 PM
    RE: Where is your God now, type 3? - by Confused - 07-22-2010, 07:36 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the - by origin - 07-22-2010, 05:20 PM
    Welcome, Origin! - by Questioner - 07-22-2010, 05:35 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-22-2010, 07:43 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 12:14 AM
    Where is your God now, type 6? - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 12:24 AM
    RE: Where is your God now, type 6? - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 12:53 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 01:08 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 02:29 AM
    Ignoramus? I don't know about that! - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 10:05 AM
    RE: Ignoramus? I don't know about that! - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 10:15 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-23-2010, 10:16 AM
    Where is your God now, type 9? - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 10:20 AM
    RE: Where is your God now, type 9? - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 10:49 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 11:01 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 12:02 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 12:12 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 12:24 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by AnthroHeart - 07-23-2010, 12:32 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 12:27 PM
    Lines of integration & disintegraton for 3-6-9 - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 01:01 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Aaron - 07-23-2010, 05:50 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 06:07 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Aaron - 07-23-2010, 07:21 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 07:57 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-23-2010, 09:22 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 10:52 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 10:59 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-23-2010, 11:25 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-23-2010, 11:43 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-24-2010, 12:00 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Aaron - 07-24-2010, 10:36 AM
    Introduction to types 2, 5, and 8 - by Questioner - 07-24-2010, 03:58 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Lorna - 07-24-2010, 06:44 PM
    Type 2: The Helper - by Questioner - 07-24-2010, 06:54 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-25-2010, 09:02 AM
    Type 5: The Thinker or Investigator - by Questioner - 07-25-2010, 10:52 AM
    RE: Type 5: The Thinker or Investigator - by Confused - 07-25-2010, 11:10 AM
    Type 8: the leader or challenger - by Questioner - 07-25-2010, 11:30 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-25-2010, 11:45 AM
    Pymander? - by Questioner - 07-25-2010, 12:13 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-25-2010, 08:29 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-25-2010, 08:54 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-25-2010, 10:33 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-25-2010, 10:50 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-25-2010, 11:03 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-25-2010, 11:25 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-26-2010, 06:19 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the - by colorado - 07-26-2010, 02:17 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Lorna - 07-26-2010, 07:06 PM
    Where is your God now, type 2? - by Questioner - 07-26-2010, 07:14 PM
    RE: Where is your God now, type 2? - by Confused - 07-26-2010, 11:01 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Phoenix - 07-27-2010, 04:02 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-27-2010, 11:31 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 07-29-2010, 08:34 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Phoenix - 07-27-2010, 01:44 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-27-2010, 02:08 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-29-2010, 08:44 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-30-2010, 02:43 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-30-2010, 04:33 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 07-30-2010, 04:53 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 08-07-2010, 09:39 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 08-07-2010, 03:00 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 08-07-2010, 09:22 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 08-07-2010, 10:22 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Phoenix - 08-08-2010, 02:13 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 08-08-2010, 08:45 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Confused - 08-10-2010, 09:39 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Phoenix - 08-11-2010, 11:37 AM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 08-11-2010, 03:28 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by seagrass - 09-08-2010, 08:09 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by Questioner - 09-08-2010, 08:29 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by seagrass - 09-08-2010, 08:52 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by fairyfarmgirl - 09-08-2010, 09:12 PM
    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by seagrass - 09-08-2010, 09:24 PM
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    RE: Breaking out of shame with the help of the Law of One, Michael Teachings, and the Enn - by seagrass - 09-09-2010, 10:47 PM
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