07-25-2010, 11:30 AM
That's an interesting connection. If you have questions about how types 2, 5, and 8 work, please feel free to post them.
Type 8: the leader or challenger
Type 8 has a fundamental goal of projecting strong power into the world. A great way towards this goal is to have an independent, powerful point of view that inspires others to join in. A poor way towards this goal is to fear being manipulated, and therefore be controlling and argumentative to ensure nobody else gets their way first.
At best, the type 8's self-mastery comes from devotion to a higher cause. A strong, but not fully optimal, use of type 8 energy is to be a self-confident individualist who inspires respect and cooperation.
A mediocre type 8 is belligerent and intimidating, trying to control others through fear rather than deal with their own fear of being controlled. As a negative type 8 slides downhill, the narcissistic exhibitionism gets ever more grandiose. There's only respect for those who fight their way to the top of the heap, or provide the greatest thrills of sex, drugs and outrageous nightlife. Intensity gets mixed up with love, including fighting and making up as a power play. Other people are increasingly sliced into black-and-white terms: "If you aren't with us you're against us." The worst of type 8 dictates and uses reprisals to antisocially smash everything and anyone that opposes them.
Along the slide down, they increasingly demand to tell you what you're thinking and what you should do to praise them and follow their ever-changing rules in a more exciting, destabilized way that gives them a greater thrill. The military term, "Identify friend or foe" is how they view every moment of life.
A positive type 8 can be truly concerned about justice, and step in to fill a void of leadership. A negative type 8 can view justice as meaning they get whatever the hell they want right damn now, and leadership as their endless bossing around of the people who only exist to serve them and then be discarded.
The underlying emotional compulsion can be driven by ambivalence to Mom. If she sees one as the good kid, she'll bestow goodies. But that comes at the cost of giving up one's own identity. This fight for survival on one's own terms can also be triggered by other experiences of being helplessly dependent on other people, who can't be trusted but could be overpowered, judged, condemned and manipulated.
With positive spiritual evolution, type 8 takes full responsibility for his or her own life, regardless of external difficulties, obstacles, and challenges. Vigorously speaking truth to power, they inspire others with a compelling vision of a better world worth fighting for today. They realize that being honest, heartfelt, tender, gentle and loving in everyday life, takes nothing away from a warrior's ability to fight when necessary.
They can champion a greater cause, honor those who see the world differently, responsibly end "collateral damage" with true compassion, renew their connection to their highest insights and truths, and build something far greater than monuments to their own grandiosity. Rather than having to seize what others have in lust, they can generously share from their own abundant natures with magnanimity. They let their pain be expressed and drained in socially safe ways rather than by lashing out at others to force them to suffer.
Any type 8 should be reasonably adept at preparing an emergency response, perimeter defense, disaster recovery plan. When there is a need to shock others out of inertia or complacency, the type 8 should be able to provide this alarm-clock service. If there is ground worth claiming, a need to stay standing despite the approaching hurricane, the type 8 may well be the last man or woman standing.
A fight against real injustice is valiant. A fight against having one's own injustices revealed is the dismal quest of the sociopath. No matter where a type 8 hails from, the straight-talking, outspoken, in-your-face directness of the classic "New Yawker" probably suits them just fine.
Type 8's of politics, who never backed down from their opinion: MLK, Rush Limbaugh, Golda Meir.
Type 8's of business, who won't back down: Lee Iococca, Donald Trump.
Type 8's of art, who won't back down from their unique vision: Picasso, Wagner.
Type 8's of drama, don't you dare back them into a corner: Sean Connery, John Wayne, Sigourney Weaver, Humphrey Bogart, Bruce Lee.
Type 8's of music who stand their ground: Frank Sinatra, James Brown, Grace Slick.
Type 8's of metaphysics who will damn well tell you you believe, for your own good: Gurdjieff, Milton Erickson.
To summarize this second batch of three: types 2, 5, and 8 show three energy patterns for pushing our span of control out into the world - over other people through loving service, over the facts of the matter by diligent analysis, and over society by calling for followers.
At best, type 2 gives what they can afford to give to those happy to receive it, fully aware of both themselves and others; type 5 crafts empowering new concepts, fully aware of both their mental state and the world it's supposed to represent; type 8 leads by providing an inspiring vision worth following.
At worst, type 2 gives what depletes them to those who don't want it, escalating a spiral of resentment; type 5 makes frightening fantasies separated from reality; type 8 becomes the demanding destroyer who leaches off anyone that can be intimidated.
Next up: what beliefs about God can inspire greatness or poverty of spirit for these three types. I don't have those essays written yet. Please feel free to discuss anything I've posted so far, I'll let you know if I'm going to get to it later.
Type 8: the leader or challenger
Type 8 has a fundamental goal of projecting strong power into the world. A great way towards this goal is to have an independent, powerful point of view that inspires others to join in. A poor way towards this goal is to fear being manipulated, and therefore be controlling and argumentative to ensure nobody else gets their way first.
At best, the type 8's self-mastery comes from devotion to a higher cause. A strong, but not fully optimal, use of type 8 energy is to be a self-confident individualist who inspires respect and cooperation.
A mediocre type 8 is belligerent and intimidating, trying to control others through fear rather than deal with their own fear of being controlled. As a negative type 8 slides downhill, the narcissistic exhibitionism gets ever more grandiose. There's only respect for those who fight their way to the top of the heap, or provide the greatest thrills of sex, drugs and outrageous nightlife. Intensity gets mixed up with love, including fighting and making up as a power play. Other people are increasingly sliced into black-and-white terms: "If you aren't with us you're against us." The worst of type 8 dictates and uses reprisals to antisocially smash everything and anyone that opposes them.
Along the slide down, they increasingly demand to tell you what you're thinking and what you should do to praise them and follow their ever-changing rules in a more exciting, destabilized way that gives them a greater thrill. The military term, "Identify friend or foe" is how they view every moment of life.
A positive type 8 can be truly concerned about justice, and step in to fill a void of leadership. A negative type 8 can view justice as meaning they get whatever the hell they want right damn now, and leadership as their endless bossing around of the people who only exist to serve them and then be discarded.
The underlying emotional compulsion can be driven by ambivalence to Mom. If she sees one as the good kid, she'll bestow goodies. But that comes at the cost of giving up one's own identity. This fight for survival on one's own terms can also be triggered by other experiences of being helplessly dependent on other people, who can't be trusted but could be overpowered, judged, condemned and manipulated.
With positive spiritual evolution, type 8 takes full responsibility for his or her own life, regardless of external difficulties, obstacles, and challenges. Vigorously speaking truth to power, they inspire others with a compelling vision of a better world worth fighting for today. They realize that being honest, heartfelt, tender, gentle and loving in everyday life, takes nothing away from a warrior's ability to fight when necessary.
They can champion a greater cause, honor those who see the world differently, responsibly end "collateral damage" with true compassion, renew their connection to their highest insights and truths, and build something far greater than monuments to their own grandiosity. Rather than having to seize what others have in lust, they can generously share from their own abundant natures with magnanimity. They let their pain be expressed and drained in socially safe ways rather than by lashing out at others to force them to suffer.
Any type 8 should be reasonably adept at preparing an emergency response, perimeter defense, disaster recovery plan. When there is a need to shock others out of inertia or complacency, the type 8 should be able to provide this alarm-clock service. If there is ground worth claiming, a need to stay standing despite the approaching hurricane, the type 8 may well be the last man or woman standing.
A fight against real injustice is valiant. A fight against having one's own injustices revealed is the dismal quest of the sociopath. No matter where a type 8 hails from, the straight-talking, outspoken, in-your-face directness of the classic "New Yawker" probably suits them just fine.
Type 8's of politics, who never backed down from their opinion: MLK, Rush Limbaugh, Golda Meir.
Type 8's of business, who won't back down: Lee Iococca, Donald Trump.
Type 8's of art, who won't back down from their unique vision: Picasso, Wagner.
Type 8's of drama, don't you dare back them into a corner: Sean Connery, John Wayne, Sigourney Weaver, Humphrey Bogart, Bruce Lee.
Type 8's of music who stand their ground: Frank Sinatra, James Brown, Grace Slick.
Type 8's of metaphysics who will damn well tell you you believe, for your own good: Gurdjieff, Milton Erickson.
To summarize this second batch of three: types 2, 5, and 8 show three energy patterns for pushing our span of control out into the world - over other people through loving service, over the facts of the matter by diligent analysis, and over society by calling for followers.
At best, type 2 gives what they can afford to give to those happy to receive it, fully aware of both themselves and others; type 5 crafts empowering new concepts, fully aware of both their mental state and the world it's supposed to represent; type 8 leads by providing an inspiring vision worth following.
At worst, type 2 gives what depletes them to those who don't want it, escalating a spiral of resentment; type 5 makes frightening fantasies separated from reality; type 8 becomes the demanding destroyer who leaches off anyone that can be intimidated.
Next up: what beliefs about God can inspire greatness or poverty of spirit for these three types. I don't have those essays written yet. Please feel free to discuss anything I've posted so far, I'll let you know if I'm going to get to it later.