Earth as a living entity?

[Minyatur]

I view restitution as a natural part of the process which will come in it's own time…

By what agency, what entities, what forces will this restitution come in its own time?

Whenever it happens, won’t it be a result of entities desiring, intending, and choosing it? Like you indicate below, whatever we experience is a result of our choice.

It is, but I think there is a difference between being of this density and wandering through here. As the name implies a Wanderer does not belong here and the state of the planet does not reflect the stage of his own growth. I am for change but I think for a Wanderer the best is to bring change on a small scale to those that call for it and not feel a need to things to be changed. The change that we speak of will come from humanity as a whole as it progresses through time when they will learn lessons of 3D and feel the need of the lessons of 4D.

Bring4th_GLB

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… but I think that wishing too much for a change doesn't respect free will and would be more STS than STO.

I differ here. I believe that attachment to outcome may lead to an STS mindset, but wanting and working for change is as much an attribute of positively polarized consciousness as it is negatively polarized consciousness.

What are we all doing here if not trying to “lighten the planetary vibration”, aka: change the planetary vibration?

There is a subtle difference, of course, between working to change the self and allowing that change to affect the whole, versus working to change others without working on the self.

I agree with this but I do not think the purpose to come here is to change the planetary vibration, I think it is a direct consequence of it. You are here for yourself, to learn by being here in 3D and being here you will cross path with entities of this density and of this sphere with whom you may share wisdom and love, if it is something they wish for just like one can pray to Yahweh for wisdom and love too. If you keep your mind pure, your simple presence here will lighten the planetary vibration without you interacting with anything. What I think is important is heeding to calls of change rather than thinking that change is needed and trying to make it happen. I think change is best brought on a small scale.

Bring4th_GLB



This inevitability of change, though, brings us back to the first question I asked. By what agency is this changed effectuated?

If the ascension of consciousness cannot be avoided, and someone like Stranger is, indeed, not avoiding it, but is instead actively participating in conscious evolution, then I’m at a loss to understand your position.

My position lies that there is a difference between a regular 3D and a Wanderer, a Wanderer shouldn't want one of 3D to change unless this person wishes it for himself else it is STS in my view. Which isn't not bad but I was under the impression that those of this forum wished to be STO. Most wanderers would be of 6D and so would be here to harvest into 7D where there would be no such thing as STO and STS, my position also lies in the fact that I try to understand things from a perspective that trancends this duality.  

Bring4th_GLB

I don't believe people need to be changed, they need to be helped in their growth when they call for it, everything that is ever done is from the Creator to the Creator and we are every victims as well as aggressors be it humans, alien races, STS entities, STO entities and every planet of every solar system be it this Octave or any other. Every distortion will be undistorted, every knots will be untied but you cannot expect people to undo these at a much younger soul age than you are, it may seem easy from the perspective of one who did but it is not and it is something that takes time and often many lives.

If you are saying that imposing a change upon others without understanding the rightness of their current situation is negative, I agree.

However, you responded to Stranger’s thoughts, and I didn’t see any indication that the perspective expressed by Stranger wished to impose change upon others.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you may be conflating working for change with attachment to outcome.

Wanderers saw the situation on planet Earth and, recognizing its total perfection, recognizing that the situation is a result of the free will of those upon Earth, recognizing that the situation reflects the maturity level of those upon Earth, nevertheless incarnated on this planet in order to change the situation. 

They did not sit on the sidelines allowing the perfection to unfold as it will, knowing that eventually entities will come around to choosing their polarity because it is inevitable.

Rather, the Confederation and wanderers attempt to do their part in the most free-will respecting manner possible. That positive mindset includes not being attached to an outcome, but instead offering their best and allowing the cards (i.e., results) to fall where they may.

About me responding to Stranger, you are very right. I did so because I view this forum as a place to exchange such thoughts. 
I do understand what you are saying of the confederation and wanderers, but I think that is something that is to be lost to harvest into 7D and so needs to be worked upon. 7D seems to be exactly what you said : "allowing the perfection to unfold as it will", isn't this what the Earth is doing?
 

Bring4th_GLB

MinyaturI see an aspect of Wandering as being affected by these things but instead of wishing for a quick change, we ought to learn understanding of other selves as to where they are in their growth. If earth ends up destroyed it will be the consequence of free will and is not something that should be prevented by force. Souls would experience a trauma from such an event and further grow from it. There is no such thing as a ultimate way for things to be, everything that happens is the consequence of the free will of ways for the Creator to be and every part of it deserves love.

Agreed that force should not be applied to achieve any outcome if the entity wishes to serve others in a positive sense. However, who in this thread has said anything about using force? What about Stranger wishing to apologize for the imbalanced relationship to this planet implies forcing an outcome?

That may have been a wrong use of words, but what I meant is that in my view, if one apologies on the behalf of something, it is because he views that something as being in wrong and in need to be changed else why would one apologize? But if it were different, it would only cut the Creator from a set of experiences. That isn't "bad" in itself but would come from a STS perspective in which reality should be more to one's liking than the way it actually is.
In short I viewed the act of apologizing for the way things are as a rejection of how they are. Wanting to define how things should be and how people should be is STS even with good intentions. I do not think it is a bad thing as there is no such thing as bad things but I am saying these things because I believe the people of this forum do not want to be STS while it is their right if they wish for it and so I share ideas with which one can resonate to or not. My words are nowhere absolute, my goal is simply sharing insights and by doing so I get insights in return from the answers. Win-win situation. 
We may not be wandering here to change this planet but rather to learn from the way it is. That's what I think. And those who cross our path will also be influenced by us in many ways if it is what they wish and that is the impact that I seek. On a small scale with those who wish for it.

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I'll add that if you view the Earth as a mother that loves unconditionally her childrens, she wouldn't need apologies on her spiritual toddlers' behalf. This is the most simplistic way I can state my view. 

If the Earth is a mother that doesn't love totally unconditionally, it is part of this sphere growth process to learn it. Through infinity it will grow in unconditional love and at the end of this sphere existence, it will become a bigger Logos providing to and sharing the burden of more. That's what being a mother is all about, just like here in 3D there is no mother that truly loves unconditionally but still being a mother makes one grow toward it. Sometimes you have to endure but you grow in the process.