02-04-2015, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the good reply, Minyatur. I have some thoughts to offer in return. I’ve bolded certain sections of your sentences below for emphasis.
By what agency, what entities, what forces will this restitution come in its own time?
Whenever it happens, won’t it be a result of entities desiring, intending, and choosing it? Like you indicate below, whatever we experience is a result of our choice.
I differ here. I believe that attachment to outcome may lead to an STS mindset, but wanting and working for change is as much an attribute of positively polarized consciousness as it is negatively polarized consciousness.
What are we all doing here if not trying to “lighten the planetary vibration”, aka: change the planetary vibration?
There is a subtle difference, of course, between working to change the self and allowing that change to affect the whole, versus working to change others without working on the self.
Indeed and agreed. This is true of any time or place in evolution. There are no mistakes, as Ra says.
This perspective, however, does not preclude working for change.
This inevitability of change, though, brings us back to the first question I asked. By what agency is this changed effectuated?
If the ascension of consciousness cannot be avoided, and someone like Stranger is, indeed, not avoiding it, but is instead actively participating in conscious evolution, then I’m at a loss to understand your position.
If you are saying that imposing a change upon others without understanding the rightness of their current situation is negative, I agree.
However, you responded to Stranger’s thoughts, and I didn’t see any indication that the perspective expressed by Stranger wished to impose change upon others.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you may be conflating working for change with attachment to outcome.
Wanderers saw the situation on planet Earth and, recognizing its total perfection, recognizing that the situation is a result of the free will of those upon Earth, recognizing that the situation reflects the maturity level of those upon Earth, nevertheless incarnated on this planet in order to change the situation.
They did not sit on the sidelines allowing the perfection to unfold as it will, knowing that eventually entities will come around to choosing their polarity because it is inevitable.
Rather, the Confederation and wanderers attempt to do their part in the most free-will respecting manner possible. That positive mindset includes not being attached to an outcome, but instead offering their best and allowing the cards (i.e., results) to fall where they may.
Agreed that force should not be applied to achieve any outcome if the entity wishes to serve others in a positive sense. However, who in this thread has said anything about using force? What about Stranger wishing to apologize for the imbalanced relationship to this planet implies forcing an outcome?
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I view restitution as a natural part of the process which will come in it's own time…
By what agency, what entities, what forces will this restitution come in its own time?
Whenever it happens, won’t it be a result of entities desiring, intending, and choosing it? Like you indicate below, whatever we experience is a result of our choice.
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: … but I think that wishing too much for a change doesn't respect free will and would be more STS than STO.
I differ here. I believe that attachment to outcome may lead to an STS mindset, but wanting and working for change is as much an attribute of positively polarized consciousness as it is negatively polarized consciousness.
What are we all doing here if not trying to “lighten the planetary vibration”, aka: change the planetary vibration?
There is a subtle difference, of course, between working to change the self and allowing that change to affect the whole, versus working to change others without working on the self.
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: The current state of the Earth reflects the maturity of those that populate it and is something that has it's own purpose.
Indeed and agreed. This is true of any time or place in evolution. There are no mistakes, as Ra says.
This perspective, however, does not preclude working for change.
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Change is inevitable because no one will avoid the ascension of consciousness even if some are slower than others like these sphere seems to be as it is in perpetual spiritual childhood for the moment.
This inevitability of change, though, brings us back to the first question I asked. By what agency is this changed effectuated?
If the ascension of consciousness cannot be avoided, and someone like Stranger is, indeed, not avoiding it, but is instead actively participating in conscious evolution, then I’m at a loss to understand your position.
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I don't believe people need to be changed, they need to be helped in their growth when they call for it, everything that is ever done is from the Creator to the Creator and we are every victims as well as aggressors be it humans, alien races, STS entities, STO entities and every planet of every solar system be it this Octave or any other. Every distortion will be undistorted, every knots will be untied but you cannot expect people to undo these at a much younger soul age than you are, it may seem easy from the perspective of one who did but it is not and it is something that takes time and often many lives.
If you are saying that imposing a change upon others without understanding the rightness of their current situation is negative, I agree.
However, you responded to Stranger’s thoughts, and I didn’t see any indication that the perspective expressed by Stranger wished to impose change upon others.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you may be conflating working for change with attachment to outcome.
Wanderers saw the situation on planet Earth and, recognizing its total perfection, recognizing that the situation is a result of the free will of those upon Earth, recognizing that the situation reflects the maturity level of those upon Earth, nevertheless incarnated on this planet in order to change the situation.
They did not sit on the sidelines allowing the perfection to unfold as it will, knowing that eventually entities will come around to choosing their polarity because it is inevitable.
Rather, the Confederation and wanderers attempt to do their part in the most free-will respecting manner possible. That positive mindset includes not being attached to an outcome, but instead offering their best and allowing the cards (i.e., results) to fall where they may.
(02-03-2015, 02:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I see an aspect of Wandering as being affected by these things but instead of wishing for a quick change, we ought to learn understanding of other selves as to where they are in their growth. If earth ends up destroyed it will be the consequence of free will and is not something that should be prevented by force. Souls would experience a trauma from such an event and further grow from it. There is no such thing as a ultimate way for things to be, everything that happens is the consequence of the free will of ways for the Creator to be and every part of it deserves love.
Agreed that force should not be applied to achieve any outcome if the entity wishes to serve others in a positive sense. However, who in this thread has said anything about using force? What about Stranger wishing to apologize for the imbalanced relationship to this planet implies forcing an outcome?
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi