2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

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but, that vividness doesnt make it successful - because as we learn from Ra in many places, accelerated experience in a density, means the need to balance that density in another level.

90.16 Questioner: What was the ultimate objective of this Logos in designing the archetypical mind as It did?

Ra: I am Ra. Each Logos desires to create a more eloquent expression of experience of the Creator by the Creator. The archetypical mind is intended to heighten this ability to express the Creator in patterns more like the fanned peacock’s tail, each facet of the Creator vivid, upright, and shining with articulated beauty.

To me, this suggests that the Logos's plan has been successful, since it has succeeded in creating a vivid creation.

i dont remember saying maldek was negative polarity. im not sure what you are talking about here. these are 3d entities.

Here is what you wrote. It looks to me like you're saying the negatives destroyed Maldek and Atlantis.

in my opinion, the 'negative' polarity, something which actually, logically can not exist and be valid (because nothing can ever strive to be infinite to express the infinity of existence of all of us), needs to be abolished. and i am assuming, it will be abolished.

imagine - they destroyed a planet here (maldek). they have come here, and then created another catastrophe. (atlantis).

are you here by free will?

Yes, of course, and so are you. Let's say we're wanderers; we could easily have left earth to its own devices, to succeed or fail on its own merits. If we're not wanderers, well, it's a big universe. There are lots of other places we could have learned third-density lessons. And we didn't need to choose manifestation at all:

This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things.

Veiling third density isn't taking it out.

the extreme example illustrates the illogicality and lack of wisdom of clogging the natural and free flow of creation's energies. it requires effort to miss the core of the example.

Are you saying I'm trying to be obtuse? I assure you that's not the case.

the 'illusion' you are talking about the 'reality' the infinite intelligence was able to discover.

No, it's the creation our Logos has built for the Creator to experience Itself within.

infinite numbers of finites actually constituting an infinite entity, does not make the finite parts of that entity, that entity itself.

According to Ra, each seemingly finite part is in fact the infinite entity itself. That's what the quote re: holographs below is saying.

'you are here today, but in fact you are' - > no, i am here today, and i am finite. there is no 'in fact' -> that in fact refers to a future timepoint, which has not come to pass yet. and when that future timepoint comes, i will still be finite in this particular space time continuum with the other infinite numbers of finites (all of us) existing as finite in this continuum. when the finiteness ends for this particular creation at the end of this octave, we will return (possibly) to infinity, or (more possibly) to near-infinity, and only then we will be 'all that there is' and infinite.

No, you are infinite right now.

however one thing is for certain, 65 million (the number circa 1980, it was a trend, and its increasing) is a very high number for 6d. if im not mistaken, ra at some point said Ra contained 60 million or so entities. so, that makes this number almost an entire complex.

Actually, their harvest from third density was only six and a half million. But of course, their numbers could have grown since then.

60 million entities, being 3 densities lower than their natural density, is a huge misplacement. the fact that this misplacement may correct an imbalance does not change the fact that, that imbalance, therefore, the need for that misplacement should never have occurred.

I think the need for fifth- and sixth-density wanderers may have more to do with the misguided actions by those formerly known as Yahweh in the transfer of souls from Maldek than with the Logos's plan.

infinity is not a thing, its total stillness. for infinity to happen, all the distortions must meet each other and nullify each other, completing each other. infinity only becomes some 'thing', when a differentiation occurs, like, infinity becoming intelligent, ie, infinite intelligence. (some remembrance of dewey physics here). therefore, even intelligence is a state different from infinity. ra's 'distortion' concept, going to first thought and then balancing all distortions, all point to this. not to mention that the experiences of various masters during meditation, sufis, and various occult and ancient descriptions of relevant experiences.

Actually, in Dewey Larson physics, the natural or undistorted state is flowing outward from all locations. It's not still.

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...3#pid14843
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1272

If I have time...However, at a quick glance I did notice one thing that seems fundamentally at odds with Ra's description of infinity:

there cant be 'one' entity in infinity. ie, there cant be singleness in infinity.

because for infinity to happen, it needs to be infinite in all respects. being 'one' or 'single' are concepts that are being related to finity, which becomes valid for any entity that is a subset of infinity, therefore finite. it cannot pass valid when infinity is contemplated.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define the infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity.

Maybe you already addressed this in that thread or another, but your statement seems hard to reconcile with Ra's.

i believe you havent understood the sentence in that answer :

it says, as in an holographic picture. which means, all entities, nomatter how small, contain the one creator which is infinity, as in an holographic picture. not, practically. they carry the image, the model of the creator. and that question was actually contained in a context in which the energy models of entities are discussed, regarding all chakras being present and in potentiation even in 2d single cell organisms.

I think this is the crux of the issue, and I think you are misreading Ra's answer. "As in a holographic picture" means in the same way that each part of a holographic picture contains the whole, so do we. It doesn't mean that we carry a picture of the Creator. It means that we contain the Creator.

'deciding' to do anything would require that something that needs to be done present. something that is perfect, does not decide to do anything, because there is nothing that can be done. even if we go and accept that the creator does not need to know itself, but it just 'merely decides' to, it means that the creator didnt know itself, and, didnt need, but 'decided to' learn itself. that would mean that first, creator doesnt know itself, second, there is something that creator can do, which means that there is something that actually can be done.

which, is far from the state of perfection. in the state of infinity, everything would have been already done, and there should be nothing that could be done.

I think the key is awareness. Ra said infinity became aware. Unaware infinity may be complete and perfect, with nothing needing to be done, but aware infinity decided to investigate finity. Not because it needed to, just because it wanted to.

there cant be a desire, because a desire would necessitate a distortion from the state of infinity - a state in which all desires and their objectives being together.

But according to Ra, that's exactly what happened. Infinity became aware, and Infinite Intelligence determined to investigate a concept it discerned.

stillness is not emptiness, or fullness. it is stillness. in stillness the empty and full also are present, and they cancel out each other. therefore, it is uniform everywhere, and its still.

I think this is an assumption on your part. The infinite is not still in Dewey Larson's physics, and it's not still in Ra's cosmology, at least not once it becomes aware.

if you are infinite whole, please project yourself to our space/time continuum that is to come 2 octaves later than this particular octave's creation we are experiencing, and bring us information from there.

the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

if you cant, it means you are not infinite.

Not at all; it just means I haven't penetrated intelligent infinity in a systematic and reproducible way in this incarnation yet.

had you been infinite, you wouldnt even have the need to project yourself actually, you wouldnt be even here, interacting through a computer screen.

Why not? It's how I choose to amuse myself at this point in time.